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    Hi aussi-frogs, (right ?)

    what a pleasure to find this forum! All French cars under one Australian hat.

    In Germany we are so seperated! Extremely the Citroën-enthusisasts don't regard Renaults too much...

    With me it's different. It just has to be a good and an exiting car, best, if it is a French car! Four years ago I switched from being a life-time Citroën driver to my first Renault, a Laguna Grandtour (was a real good car!). Two years later followed the last Matra, the Avantime.
    To my taste Citroëns have become a little bit too boring. Don't want to offend nobody's taste, It's just to my taste!

    I want to inform you about my Avantime-Gallery, a web site showing tons of images of the French coupéspace. Perhaps you like to take a look sometimes!

    http://www.avantime-gallery.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by coupéspace
    I want to inform you about my Avantime-Gallery, a web site showing tons of images of the French coupéspace. Perhaps you like to take a look sometimes!
    Hi Holger, welcome aboard
    You've got a lovely French auto. I remember your site now , I stumbled across it after it was mentioned on Lennart Sorth's site MatraSport.dk. Great repository of pictures you've got there.

    With me it's different. It just has to be a good and an exiting car, best, if it is a French car!
    Brilliant philosophy!


    p.s. You forgot to add an 'e' , it is Aussiefrogs
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    Yes welcome again. Keep posting on the board the more people the better. BTW love the avantime and i think its a great car.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by coupéspace
    Hi aussi-frogs, (right ?)
    what a pleasure to find this forum! All French cars under one Australian hat.
    There is so few of us (relatively speaking) that it's better we stick together somewhat .... (although we each still have our favourite make).

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    Hi Aussie Frogs (This time I got it spelled right) ))

    Thanks for your compliments! Although the Avantime itself deserves most of the Bravos.

    Funny, this morning I met by incident another Avantime-driver and we both stopped for a small talk. No surprise: Actually there are only around 450 Avantimes on German roads.

    It's true, that you couldn't order this car in Australia, isn't it? But you have some Espaces down under, have you?

    Concerning the brand ideologies - the Renault Avantime as well as the Renault Espace are genuine Matras!



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    Quote Originally Posted by coupéspace
    It's true, that you couldn't order this car in Australia, isn't it? But you have some Espaces down under, have you?

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    Holger
    The only Espaces in Australia are ones that have been privately imported, as these were not officially sold in Australia either.

    However those who were lucky enough to be at the 2001 Melbourne Motor Show were able to sample an Avantime on dsplay.

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    Thanks for the info!

    What a shame! Why do they think that the Espace isn't the right car for Australia? By concept I think it's the most attractive of all Renaults.

    OK, this the my view being a dissapointed Citroën Fan, which I had been until the C5 appeared. But I might commence to be one if the C6 really and finally will be something outrageous and if the next Picasso will get the HP (roumors).

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    Hi Holger, and welcome...

    A question - which tyres are the wider on your Avantime - I notice they are 235 and 225.

    Stuey

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    I also never worked out why the espace never came out here. It would have been a great car and i think also its one of the best Renault made too.
    Would have been great to see some of them round oz.
    Another missed euro oportunity....

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    Quote Originally Posted by coupéspace
    Thanks for the info!

    What a shame! Why do they think that the Espace isn't the right car for Australia? By concept I think it's the most attractive of all Renaults.
    The various Australian Renault importers over time have tried to bring in the Espace from 1988. However each time it was proposed (in 1988 and 1991) the pricing has never stacked up against the volume selling Toyota Tarago which it would be compared with. It would have been priced well above its proposed market sector.

    However the new Espace is slated for release sometime next year, it is considered that there is a premium sector in the people mover market with both the Chrysler Voyager and VW Caravelle having small but probably sufficient sales in their market sector.

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    I have a feeling a lot of the "people mover" buyers have now moved into LWB 4WD's

    The Espace will not be a cheap vehicle when it comes here. Good luck to it
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    i hope it sells really well but when will we see the C8 thats the question....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa
    I have a feeling a lot of the "people mover" buyers have now moved into LWB 4WD's

    The Espace will not be a cheap vehicle when it comes here. Good luck to it
    Exactly.

    The market for MPVs has shrunk quite a bit. I still remember the days where you'd see the boxy Taragos very frequently outside schools and shopping centres, now they're the exception rather than the norm.

    Only 829 Taragos sold this year by the end of May.

    Peugeot's sold almost 50% more 307s than that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    Exactly.

    The market for MPVs has shrunk quite a bit. I still remember the days where you'd see the boxy Taragos very frequently outside schools and shopping centres, now they're the exception rather than the norm.

    Only 829 Taragos sold this year by the end of May.

    Peugeot's sold almost 50% more 307s than that!
    The Tarago market has been taken over by the Kia Carnival.

    I'd admit the Espace would be a struggle, but Renault just seem to try anything ATM :-)

    What are the sales numbers for Chrysler Voyager and VW Caravelle??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    The Tarago market has been taken over by the Kia Carnival.
    The Carnival's doing quite well this year, it's gone from 700 units by MAY03 to 2221 units at MAY04 YTD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    What are the sales numbers for Chrysler Voyager and VW Caravelle??
    Caravelle - 146 vs 144 last year (YTD May)
    Voyager - 393 vs 476 last year (as above).

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    @ Stuey

    Hi! There were three sizes available for the Avantime:

    225/55R16/95V - came with the basic version Expression
    see them here

    235/50R17/96V - option for "Dynamique" and standard for "Privilége", see
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    235/45R18/96V - could only be ordered as an option, see here

    Regards

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    Oops, forgot to mention: My first Avantime had the 18" wheels, now I have a Privilége with 235/17 for summer tyres and 225/16 on after market rims for the winter season
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    Ahhh! I see. I thought they were 235/225 Rear/Front or vice versa...

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