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    Default The great little come-back

    It has been a few years since I posted anything here.
    A biggish effort was made to do all the events on our calendar for the 19/20 season, it started ok and we entered "the icebreaker" end September.
    The car blew a head gasket after 4 laps. not happy. Fixed it up and entered the next event December but she started leaking water even before we left, did a late niter but gave up at 2:30.
    So Sunday the 26 Jan we were joined by Frans. Racing was good and Frans and me both got 4th place overall and 2nd in class. It was stinking hot so lap times were a bit down.

    The worse news is that the gearbox got solidly stuck in 1st gear and need a good overhaul.
    What I do need desperately is a bell housing with a trust bearing guide, a suitable fork and a spigot shaft.
    Willing to pay reasonable money and shipping to sunny New Zealand.

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    Welcome back!

    Fantastic photo!!!!

    Note my PM to you this morning - send me your email address and I'll see whether I can help from this end.

    Cheers

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    It has been a few years since I posted anything here.
    A biggish effort was made to do all the events on our calendar for the 19/20 season, it started ok and we entered "the icebreaker" end September.
    The car blew a head gasket after 4 laps. not happy. Fixed it up and entered the next event December but she started leaking water even before we left, did a late niter but gave up at 2:30.
    So Sunday the 26 Jan we were joined by Frans. Racing was good and Frans and me both got 4th place overall and 2nd in class. It was stinking hot so lap times were a bit down.

    The worse news is that the gearbox got solidly stuck in 1st gear and need a good overhaul.
    What I do need desperately is a bell housing with a trust bearing guide, a suitable fork and a spigot shaft.
    Willing to pay reasonable money and shipping to sunny New Zealand.

    PS, should have taken a photo of the two R8's towed by a 21 Turbo and a Citroen C5

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    Forgot to mention, there's another option - you can buy new conversion kits for those bellhousings in France,

    Here's the link: http://bretagneautoretro.fr/crbst_155.html (Kit Modification Butťe Guidť). Looks like everything you need.

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    Whoa 189 euro. what is good is that one don't need a spigot shaft. What is bad is that it is out of stock.
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    Good news, also available from Arnaud Ventoux Pieces. Email sent.
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    Hi,
    Has anybody bought something from Arnaud Ventoux Pieces?
    New Zealand and Aus. don't seem to be on their mail delivery list.
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    Hmm. Can't remember. Try sending them an email, perhaps using Google Translate.
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    Done, will have to wait till Monday late,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    Done, will have to wait till Monday late,
    Yes, that time difference! I guess it's 11 hours or so for you.
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    Yes, I've now purchased from AVP - I'll confirm when the bits arrive. It wasn't what I'd call straightforward but it looks as if it can be done. Be easier to find a 10S bellhousing in Oz.

    I'll be in touch, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    Whoa 189 euro. what is good is that one don't need a spigot shaft. What is bad is that it is out of stock.
    What is different on the 'box you want to modify? Because to me it looks like all you need is that tube that takes the oil seal, the rest seems similar to the old 'box.
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    Hi SZ,

    The old boxes have the oil seal in the front of the bell housing and they can be replaced from the front as well. The newer boxes with the tube have the seal at the back of the bell housing. The built-up face where the seal runs on is thus at different positions on the spigot shaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    What is different on the 'box you want to modify? Because to me it looks like all you need is that tube that takes the oil seal, the rest seems similar to the old 'box.
    For Oz, it was the late R10 and 10S arrangement. Same 330 box overall but it was strengthened in places and inside the diff, and had a different type of clutch and clutch thrust, the thrust guided by that tube. in turn the bellhousing details are different. They are around, but not that easy to come by. In France, adaptor kits are available to allow use of the early type bellhousing with the later type clutch thrust. The activating fork is different too. As Frans said, the oil seal position is different for the 10S because of the different bellhousing with a corresponding difference in the spigot shaft machining. It's all shown very well in the last of the R8 factory workshop manuals.
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    I understand there is a difference. My question was about the kit linked above specifically because I was curious if all those parts are absolutely necessary/hard to find. I guess the release bearing can be bought separately, so that leaves the big springy thing and the fork. If these two can be used from some other 'box easily found, that leaves the seal carrier. Which I guess is the crucial part, but that is easily machined.
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    Hi Guys,
    I took an early birthday prezzie and ordered the necessary bits from Arnaud Ventoux Pieces.
    Like JohnW said it is not straight forward. Mecca parts is much more easy.
    I will let you know when the parts arrive.
    Hopefully before my birthday
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    Hi Guys, I took an early birthday prezzie and ordered the necessary bits from Arnaud Ventoux Pieces. Like JohnW said it is not straight forward. Mecca parts is much more easy. I will let you know when the parts arrive. Hopefully before my birthday
    Yes, Mecaparts is much easier! I'll post to let you know when my AVP parcel arrives, as it isn't here yet.

    Cheers

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    Ho, HO, HO my parcel arrived from France. Now got to get busy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    Ho, HO, HO my parcel arrived from France. Now got to get busy!
    How on earth did you do it? I gave up in the end after I just couldn't get him to give me the bank details I needed to make a transfer and they have just arrived at my friend's house near Paris.
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    I got the bank details and had to apply for "permission" to transfer money overseas.A bit of a mix up with delivery cost I still owned them 11euro. The minimum one can transfer (in NZ) is NZ$100.00 So I wrote back in the Queens English that they must return my money and I can transfer the correct amount or B I supply my card detail and they can take their 11Euro. They were very willing to take the money of my card. I must say that the sleeve is a thing of beauty and fit very well, the rest of the kit is also very good. Will send some pics soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan View Post
    I got the bank details and had to apply for "permission" to transfer money overseas.A bit of a mix up with delivery cost I still owned them 11euro. The minimum one can transfer (in NZ) is NZ$100.00 So I wrote back in the Queens English that they must return my money and I can transfer the correct amount or B I supply my card detail and they can take their 11Euro. They were very willing to take the money of my card. I must say that the sleeve is a thing of beauty and fit very well, the rest of the kit is also very good. Will send some pics soon.
    I could not get them to send the key bank details I needed to effect a transfer. He sent different ones and said it was adequate even though I explained exactly what I needed. In the end I gave up and had the part sent to a friend in France. I'll try again if there is anything he stocks that I can't get anywhere else - like that sleeve of course!!

    Good you were successful. I found a 10S bellhousing in Oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post

    [...]

    I'll try again if there is anything he stocks that I can't get anywhere else - like that sleeve of course!!

    [...]
    That is why I asked above about those parts. That sleeve is easily machined if you have dimensions or a model to copy. I could make one if you need.
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