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    Default renault scenic any good??...friend is thinking of getting one

    I have been tasked with helping a mates daughter buy a car...
    her priority is reliable and cheap to run....after that she would love a car she can sleep in
    lowish kms would be good....she has i think a healthy budget of $6,000
    is the scenic a good car for her?...i also thought of the Citroen picasso....
    her's one with 68,000 kms with rwc and reg for $4500 drive away from a dealer
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    Stay away from auto unless you are very sure it has been maintained
    Check service history in particular timing belt and all associated hardware ie water pump replacement cam seals, idler tensioner and serpentine belt.

    Look for oil leeks around power steering pump check common problem

    Window winder mechanism clips common problem
    Ours has 210k on the clock and still going strong. It uses a bit of oil towards the end of service cycle. But pressing the info button on the end of the wiper stalk will tell you the oil level.
    Great touring car comfortable and plenty of power in the 2litre model.

    If the car is high k's check drive shaft boots and intermediate bearing and engine mounts.



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    For a little more coin, you'd be in the ballpark for a Koleos... Much newer and less likely to cost a bomb.
    Here is just a random example

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lans...gon/1231179326
    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lidc...gon/1232446771
    Here is just a random example

    Regardless, she will want to take it to a Renault specialist to service it properly.

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    Hyundai i30 wagon.
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    [QUOTE=don;1641073]Stay away from auto unless you are very sure it has been maintained
    Check service history in particular timing belt and all associated hardware ie water pump replacement cam seals, idler tensioner and serpentine belt.

    Look for oil leeks around power steering pump check common problem

    Window winder mechanism clips common problem
    Ours has 210k on the clock and still going strong. It uses a bit of oil towards the end of service cycle. But pressing the info button on the end of the wiper stalk will tell you the oil level.
    Great touring car comfortable and plenty of power in the 2litre model.

    If the car is high k's check drive shaft boots and intermediate bearing and engine mounts.



    its a 2003 with only 69,000 kms so quite low for a car 16 years old so approx 4,300 kms a year
    of course low kms can mean leaking seals etc due to non or little use..
    I would hope the auto is still ok at these kms..
    Ill check the items you mention and thanks for the feedback
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    I have been tasked with helping a mates daughter buy a car...
    her priority is reliable and cheap to run....after that she would love a car she can sleep in
    lowish kms would be good....she has i think a healthy budget of $6,000
    is the scenic a good car for her?...i also thought of the Citroen picasso....
    her's one with 68,000 kms with rwc and reg for $4500 drive away from a dealer
    https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...3450447721428/
    comments ...discussion...thoughts please
    That does look nice, and I have a rebuilt auto transmission you can have for $100 to put aside as a spare. The autos in these are usually fine if they get regular oil changes, but not many have because renault say "sealer for life"....

    This would be a really good buy for someone who is a skilled DIY mechanic - at this age you just need to have mechanical sympathy to keep on top of niggles and not be afraid of something a bit different. If your friend is relying on normal mechanics trades, forget it - they'll mess it up and stiff you with the bill.
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    If she can stretch the budget a bit. These are excellent.

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6361093/?Cr=0
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    Hi dogboy
    If I was buying a car for a young person who knows nothing about cars and relies on 'a mechanic' to do anything to it including service then forget French cars. They will probably break her heart and pocket.
    Sorry to say that but it applies x3 for French automatics. I have had probably more French cars than most people here, but I am not into inflicting the pain on innocent people.Just buy a Jap car for her and sleep easy at night That car is for a sympathetic Frogger that does their own work.

    I would not go near a Scenic auto with a barge pole if it was for a young girl that was a friend of mine. Has the timing belt and all the pulleys been done recently. If not the engine will be a write-off soon. The auto needs oil changes and needs to be done by a person who actually knows how ! or it will be a mess. Then there are the irritations of the little things which stop working, and noone will work on it for her. Sorry !!
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    thanks for everyones input...and yes...probably not a good idea for a first car...but I had to ask
    I certainly don't want to cop the flak for a bad choice...so..onto the jap brands...i20? others?
    she could possibly get more coin from parents but as its a first car im unsure of what to help her get...
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    Is she wants to sleep in it, a wagon is the go. And to get all the airbags and acronyms (no reason to not have them these days) and under 10K i reckon the i30 is the go. They are very well made. Early version like I linked is Korean made, and second series is made in the Czech Republic ;

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6212818/?Cr=3
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    Hmm. Scenics are pretty reliable but the backup for something like a Hyundai i30 would be rather better I reckon. And, I will grant, an i30 is quite a good car. We had one on hire in Europe once - excellent rear-vision mirrors and it went like a train. Quite a bit of German engineering if I recall.
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    Full discloser - i bought my Mum an FD i30 wagon. It replaced the second Magna wagon I'd bought her (which sorta still lives as their second car I think with mega miles on it) and lives a very very hard life on rough bush roads with dogs and hay bales in it and all sorts of abuse.

    When I bought it I did some servicing on it and I was sure impressed with the engineering. The suspension in particular was built like a brick shithouse and made the megane look very bloody flimsy indeed.

    The series 2 GD is a direct injection 1.6 with a 6 speed auto but same platform and rear end (you can tell the euro mades ones in the series 2 - multi link rear end and DI engine on wagon and 3 doors, beam axle and PI 1.8 on Korean built hatches).

    I would however also suggest a Megane 3 wagon - early ones were a Nissan 2.0 and CVT and should be pretty reliable as well. So long as you have a mechanic that will see them as an odd Nissan and not a Renault... https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...17616925/?Cr=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    Hyundai i30 wagon.
    Your prudent recommendation reminded me of this very positive Owner's review of 130 Wagon:

    https://www.caradvice.com.au/owner-r...sx-2-0-review/

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    thanks all....checked and she can't go beyond $6000 for first car ....so will look for the best i30 wagon i can find in manual form
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    Hi Dogboy
    My next . Go for an I30 if you want. Not Jap of course But my experience is thus. Toyota's are good but overhyped so overpriced. Nissans not sure but the genuine made in Japan are OK but rust worries me. Mazada's seem to be OK, boring but reliable. My young girl friend ended up with a Mazda 3. About $4.5K. Good car. Of course there are others too. My kids bought a KIA Carens with less than 40kKm quite some years back that they got an excellent run out of for 10 years with no failures.

    But the important thing IMHO is the milage and condition. Most newer cars with <100000 will be OK with basic servicing. Note the timing belt replacement interval. There are plenty of cars out there from dealers which may not be ridge didge. If it is too good to be true walk along. Private sales often reveal a good low Km vehicle that is a good negotiable price. Not always either
    Good luck Jaahn
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    Our best and best value-for-money Scenic was indeed a private sale. It was way overdue for some maintenance but even after paying for fluid/belt/engine mounts and harmonic balancer it was cheap. I do have a decent service place which I know close to home which helps and even a Renault dealer 10 minutes away if all else fails.

    The approach I've always taken is to decide what make and model and then check and check and check examples for sale until the right one appears. You need to look at several as a rule so you can recognise good value when you see it.

    I know high mileage cars can sometimes be surprisingly good, but you can't do better than low mileage, one-owner cars in my limited buying experience.
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    I would have thought that even a low mileage '03 Scenic, couldn't be worth much now, altho I love them. A roadworthy is the issue - $4500 above the mark for a roadworthy car IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trading Estate View Post
    I would have thought that even a low mileage '03 Scenic, couldn't be worth much now, altho I love them. A roadworthy is the issue - $4500 above the mark for a roadworthy car IMO.
    I can't imagine finding a private sale Scenic for over $5K. Most are autos btw, but we found manuals by waiting. They were only sold here until about 2006-7 I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    thanks all....checked and she can't go beyond $6000 for first car ....so will look for the best i30 wagon i can find in manual form
    cheers
    Cool. Just check the spec if side and curtain airbags are important (they should be IMO). The SLX and late model SX in the FD series had then - earlier SX didn't standard and I never saw one that had it optioned.

    Ignore diesel option - noisy and slow and stinky and no real advantage on a car this economical in petrol form anyway.

    Check the auctions and wholesalers - I got mine cheap ($5600 with 105K kms a couple of years ago for an unregistered one because it had some cosmetic issues and needed the steering motor bush done) from a wholesaler.

    Steering motor bush - electric assist steering motor under the dash chews out a bush. Its about $20 for OEM part from a dealer and a couple of hours dicking around dropping the steering column assembly down and swapping out the bush. Common issue - it will steer fine but clunk every time you change direction.

    They run solid cam on bucket tappets so can be pretty rattly sounding. They like good oil as a result. Cambelt is easy to change, water pump runs off the Acc belt.

    Parts are super cheap from the US - rockauto.com or europe onlinecarparts.co.uk
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    Scenic's are a great car, so many good things .
    With basic care nothing much goes wrong.
    Our one goes anywhere as long as you have the sump guard on.
    Very, very impressed.

    The problem is mechanics only like fixing Toyota.
    The Citroen /Peugeot dealer at Fyshwick seems to treat the customers with contempt, cowboys with no idea.
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    Scenics are bottom dwellers a 2003 for $1200
    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...6127793/?Cr=12

    Get a Koleos for $3000
    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6455467/?Cr=9

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    just love all your input folks....its helping a great deal....I have just been told the lady in question is starting uni so will be driving quite some kms every day so a reliable,economical car is the priority...max spend of $6000 including the RWC
    any more suggestions?? she wanted sub 100,000 kms but think getting a i30 wagon for $6k with under 100,000 kms is going to be an ask
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    just love all your input folks....its helping a great deal....I have just been told the lady in question is starting uni so will be driving quite some kms every day so a reliable,economical car is the priority...max spend of $6000 including the RWC
    any more suggestions?? she wanted sub 100,000 kms but think getting a i30 wagon for $6k with under 100,000 kms is going to be an ask
    Trouble is uni starts in only a few weeks. A friend here just found a truly superb low km VW Golf for $5K, in as new condition. But he'd been looking for quite a while... And you say she's going to do quite a few km per day. Might be the budget isn't enough to buy in a hurry the reliability she'd like. She needs a minimum of $1000 in reserve I'd suggest - if anything goes wrong that she needs to pay for I wouldn't want less, unless of course parents or someone would bail her out in times of trouble.

    Our daughter's excellent Series II Scenic (manual) cost $3,100, plus $1500 to fix various overdue service items, does many km and hasn't missed a beat in 1.5 years. But she's earning, not at uni, so can pay if it goes wrong. It's around 100,000 km too. Finding it was sheer luck.
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    We had two scenics, series one and two. The series 2 was bought new and kept for around 10yrs - but still only had 80k on it. The tipping point was an a/c compressor failure ($2300) and an alternator ($880) within six months of each other. This was after I had not long done a full service belt, pulleys plus pads all round and front rotors. - the parts of which I bought from overseas (circa $1500) which was around 50% off local dealer prices. And of course I realise that the service items were exactly that. My point is expensive breakdowns can and will occur even on a well maintained, pampered car like ours.

    We loved both cars but found the total cost of ownership far outweighed the value of the vehicle. The series 1 got written off in an accident that was not my wife’s fault. I’m a Renault fan, but I find it hard to recommend to family and friends (particularly a young girl) unless it’s one of the Nissan engineered/Korean ones.

    Koleos’s do seem to be getting a good wrap for reliability.
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    spot on...with uni starting soon it's a big ask....if she only had another $2k to $3k there are some nice sub 100,000 kms i30's
    might have to pester her parents...as much as Id like to recommend a frenchie i dont think its wise...
    My friend has a koleos...reliable but a bit thirsty i think...not a huge area to sleep in either...but yes..a good car
    thanks again for everyones input...invaluable
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