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    Default Dauphine: Engaging reverse is hit or miss

    I have the RWC & am to-ing & fro-ing with VicRoad's bureaucracy (Note to 1st time Red Plate seekers: there is now a separate form for your club official to fill out. A Vehicle Suitability Form or some such in addition to your application. I also suggest you use Express Post when communicating with your club. Time rapidly goes & your RWC may expire).

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    Now that I'm driving it more, I've noticed engaging reverse can be sporadic at best.

    I can't see any adjustment on the linkage.

    Suggestions?
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    3-speed or 4-speed?
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    Gordini's are 4 speed(?).

    R is over to the passenger side then to the rear
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    They always were like stirring porridge. Not unusual to ask the passenger to move there legs.
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    Have you checked the silent block on the rear linkage? MP2007 on the attached link...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    I have the RWC & am to-ing & fro-ing with VicRoad's bureaucracy (Note to 1st time Red Plate seekers: there is now a separate form for your club official to fill out. A Vehicle Suitability Form or some such in addition to your application. I also suggest you use Express Post when communicating with your club. Time rapidly goes & your RWC may expire).

    Now that I'm driving it more, I've noticed engaging reverse can be sporadic at best.

    I can't see any adjustment on the linkage.

    Suggestions?
    I'm club official for the RCCV and I'm always telling people about the vehicle suitability form. When you log onto Vicroads web site and print off club permit application forms it doesn't say anything about the vehicle suitability form which is separate.
    The clubs should know this by now and should be telling members.
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    Gearbox 1.jpgFrom my experience and others that I know of, the most likely suspect part is the Rollpin that secures the reverse selector lever on to the main gear selector rod. This Rollpin fractures and makes it difficult to get reverse but in the end it breaks and then impossible to get reverse. If you drain the oil and split the front casing away from the gearbox (it will only come away about 1.5cm) then you will have to knock the Rollpin out and replace with a new one. It can be fairly fiddly and you might have to select 1st gear so that the casing comes out a bit further. If you have any problems and want to discuss further, PM me with your phone number and I would be happy to call you.
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    Hi
    AS I remember it (?) there is a square block drilled at right angle that acts like a uni joint with a clevis yoke on the rods. The holes and the bolts flog out and makes a bad change worse. I believe I drilled out the holes to 1/4" which is a bit bigger and put HT bolts in. It improved it out of site. I an not sure about the rubber joint. Hard to remember now
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    Forgot yours is a Gordini.

    Frank's comment is what I would have said too. They can also get sloppy in the funny bush/block arrangement at the gearbox end of the linkage too.

    I took mine apart and used a Dremel long, thin grindstone tool to carefully open out the holes in the (hardened) steel block enough to fit new stainless steel bolts that took practically all of the play from that joint and it improved my gearchange. Just like Jaahn's, although my block was so hard my drills wouldn't touch it. Unless you feel your linkage is very tight there, I'd tackle that first in the hope that reverse returns, as it is a tad easier and much cleaner than pulling the end off!

    If the roll pin breaks, you'll have no gears at all apart from what is engaged, if anything, at the time of breakage! It's fiddly but do-able with the gearbox in the car, as several of us have found out. If the rollpin is the original one, it's not a bad precaution to replace it anyway. If you replace it, take the opportunity to fit a new oil seal where the linkage goes into the end housing and a boot over the whole thing to keep dirt away, as the seals last rather longer if clean.

    Have fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    I'm club official for the RCCV and I'm always telling people about the vehicle suitability form. When you log onto Vicroads web site and print off club permit application forms it doesn't say anything about the vehicle suitability form which is separate.
    The clubs should know this by now and should be telling members.
    It was actually worse than that!

    I couldn't find the Club Permit Application so I rang VicRoads, waited the usual 20-25 minutes then spoke to an officer who guided me to the form and who made not a mention of the Vehicle Suitability Form.

    I only found out about it at the VicRoads office (after waiting the usual 20-25 minutes) when I went to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    It was actually worse than that!

    I couldn't find the Club Permit Application so I rang VicRoads, waited the usual 20-25 minutes then spoke to an officer who guided me to the form and who made not a mention of the Vehicle Suitability Form.

    I only found out about it at the VicRoads office (after waiting the usual 20-25 minutes) when I went to pay.
    You shouldn't have gotten that far. Your club officer should have told you before you got to Vicroads. He has to sign it.
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    I set out to remove the gear shift rod with a view to shorten it ~5mm by cutting & shutting.

    But when I took off the gear stick, I saw evidence of the stick fouling the floor! When selecting reverse the underneath part of the stick goes forward and it looks like it wasn't able to go forward enough to engage reverse positively.

    So, a few minutes with the Dremel & I relieved the opening a few mm.


    For good measure, I elongated the mounting bolt holes so that I could push the assembly forward a bit.

    I now get a feel-able clonk thru the stick when selecting reverse- and I get it every time!
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    So good it was an "outside" problem!

    It's still worth having a look at that joint block at the gearbox end, taking out the slop if any and fitting a boot over the end there if it doesn't have one to prolong the life of the seal.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    So good it was an "outside" problem!

    It's still worth having a look at that joint block at the gearbox end, taking out the slop if any and fitting a boot over the end there if it doesn't have one to prolong the life of the seal.

    Cheers
    Of course! 1st thing I did. There was nil slop. All very tight. At both ends.
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