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    Have been on the search for a timing belt for a fuego motor. Belt has 116 teeth which are rounded to suit the cogs driving the cam and oil pump. Belts I received from Gates Australia has square teeth which I believe were in the early model Fuegos. I sent the belt back and received this response from Gates:

    "According to our information all 2.0L Fuegoís manufactured in France with the J6R engine where fitted with a square tooth timing belt (Gates part number T018). Although there was a small percentage of this model manufacture in South America which I donít have the timing belt specs for. The belt that you most likely are looking for though is a T111 (round tooth belt with 116 teeth) this was used in J6R engines in Renault models 18, 21, 25 and Espace from the mid 1980ís to the early 90ís."

    I don't think that they correct. Any views?


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    116 teeth definitely.

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    Just had a look at an Old Caravelle Imports catalogue (Ken Bailey) page 5

    List Timing belt BE240-TB114 R20/Fuego Early 116 square teeth $15

    BE260 - TB191 Timing Belt Fuego 84 > (Round) 116 teeth $19



    So the round tooth is correct for all series two Fuego's and the round profile on the camshaft teeth is pretty obvious and the belt fits quite neatly, the square tooth would be ill fitting. Just pulled out a series ll camshaft and it is definitely rounded to suit the round profile belt.


    I can check with series ll spare parts that I have and may be able to supply parts numbers and a picture of the camshaft profile. those numbers were ken Baileys catalogue numbers


    Australdi's early non power steering car in Tassie has the square belt. I used to have spares of both on hand.

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    Just checked my rough notes pertaining to a rebuild of a 1985 -1986 Fuego engine build date April 1985 J6R 714 engine specifically noted on sketch "round belt and tooth" and "1986" Timing Belt rounded part # 48 51558 also fits Citroen (116 x 3/4" wide) Federal Mogul TRW, so I presume that was the belt maker of the part supplied.


    Will check tomorrow if I have spare belts.

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    The changeover to the round-tooth belt is covered in Renault Technical Note 1010 issued March 1984. J6R-714 commencing 26768.
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    Hi Simon

    Are you able post here a copy of the technical note or forward to my email [email protected] ?

    Thanks

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    Pretty sure cars without power steer had square teeth, and Fuegos with power steer had round teeth. That’s my memory from working on a lot of Fuegos, back where there were still a lot of Fuegos to be worked on.

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    Every fuego I've ever worked on had round teeth, and that includes series one, series two and PAS and non PAS, So I'd suspect Renault just used up their spare parts bin on our cars.

    Doesn't really matter what Gates or anyone else thinks though, if the belt in your engine has round teeth, that's what you will need to buy.


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    Hi Barry,
    I can confirm I have a new Gates Round tooth 116 marked 58116 X 3/4.
    Also have a square tooth if anyone needs it.
    Cheers, Steve.
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    Email on its way.

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    Bazzamac realised he already had a suitable cambelt in his stockpile.
    So I have one of each available. $20 round or square tooth.
    Easy to pick. Dizzy at the back of the head - square
    Power steer at the back of the head - round
    So all you armchair experts, concentrate on R10 caliper seals - round or square ???
    Ya gotta have sumthink to keep your grey matter churning....
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    There is a different belt for different dizzy locations??

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    I'll take the round tooth one.
    FYI mine is a dizzy rear with round teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    There is a different belt for different dizzy locations??
    It's on the net, it must be true.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by 85Fuego View Post
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    I'll take the round tooth one.
    FYI mine is a dizzy rear with round teeth.
    Strange. are you sure?
    You can see the tooth shape looking through the small timing hole in the cam cover.
    Do you want to pick up from my place?

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    I'm thinking they will be :-)

    The power steer cars were not the only ones with a round-tooth belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    So all you armchair experts, concentrate on R10 caliper seals - round or square ???
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    Square headlights surely equals square seals.

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    I have a quick question. Does anyone know how much refrigerant goes into Fuego 2.0 GTX system?
    I changed seals to green and all the hoses, and that filter looking thing, so its r134a compatible.
    The only problem is, amount of gas in the system.

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    The filter looking thing is the receiver drier. On top of this will be a small viewing glass, generally when regassing, after first vacuuming the system, gas is added until the sight glass goes clear, ie. no bubbles whilst the compressor is in operation. The tradesperson doing the job would also be watching gauges attached to also determine that the system has been correctly filled. To answer your question without any documentation, (ie. a guess)approximately 650 grams. A tradesperson may measure in the gas by weight, but is more likely to use the method mentioned. On many cars there is a sticker giving the weight and type of gas in the system under the bonnet.
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    Thanks! I'll give it a shot in a few days when i get at the a/c shop

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    It would depend on the various components and compressor which you have. The Renault factory manual "Air Conditioning - General Methods" 7711 083 770 January 1988, specifies the weight of the original R12 fluids as follows for the original equipment Sanden compressors for the Fuego 2 litre (Sanden SD 508) at 900 grams plus or minus 50 grams.
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    Hi Bazza I Have a T111 round tooth timing belt yours if you want New old stock

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    Thanks Don. I already have one now. It was in a box for a R25 belt that I had.
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