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    Default New Tow vehicle.

    The racecar has a new tow buddy and was trialled and tested this weekend. It passed the test with flying colours. There's nothing else that improves towing-torque like a turbo, and I experienced it again this time.

    Our new company cars, I'll get mine in September, is a Skoda Fabia. They are only 999cc with turbo but the un-braked towable weight doesn't allow me to tow the racecar legally. (Funny how companies always downscale and never upscale) That means I'll have to use my own vehicle to tow from now on.

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    That's a unique way of towing a race car Frans!
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    You can flat tow stuff.

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    Frans,
    You need matching blue on tow car,,,(team colours), and matching turbo on race car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauli View Post
    That's a unique way of towing a race car Frans!
    Not sure what you mean? I've been towing like this for the last 10 years. 300ks to Taupo and 300 back again, 70 ks to Hampton Downs and 70 back etc. It tows very stable, even at speed. Like a 4 wheel trailor. I do have "tow wheels" as in picture to save the heat cycles of the racing tyres.

    Only problem I have to look out for is not to damage suspension or steering.

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    Why don't you just drive the race car I thought the idea of a trailer was so if you damaged the racecar you can still get it home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    Not sure what you mean? I've been towing like this for the last 10 years. 300ks to Taupo and 300 back again, 70 ks to Hampton Downs and 70 back etc. It tows very stable, even at speed. Like a 4 wheel trailor. I do have "tow wheels" as in picture to save the heat cycles of the racing tyres.

    Only problem I have to look out for is not to damage suspension or steering.

    Frans.
    In Australia the law requires a licensed driver in the a car being towed on an A bar or single bar.

    Which makes the process less attractive.

    However, if opens up the possibility of some"help" whilst climbing steep hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    In Australia the law requires a licensed driver in the a car being towed on an A bar or single bar.
    Thats interesting, in Queesnland, when using A frame, both vehicles must be registered, and no people allowed in the towed veicle. There's a whole stack of other requirements, including minimum turning circle requirement.

    https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/veh...uipment#aframe
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    Thats interesting, in Queesnland, when using A frame, both vehicles must be registered, and no people allowed in the towed veicle. There's a whole stack of other requirements, including minimum turning circle requirement.

    https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/veh...uipment#aframe
    Seems it is similar in Victoria, except a driver is allowed the towed vehicle.

    https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/-/me...2CE058DB486445
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    Thats interesting, in Queesnland, when using A frame, both vehicles must be registered, and no people allowed in the towed veicle. There's a whole stack of other requirements, including minimum turning circle requirement.

    https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/veh...uipment#aframe
    That's the same in NZ. Racecar is registered and street legal. No driver allowed as in towing caravans etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Seems it is similar in Victoria, except a driver is allowed the towed vehicle.

    https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/-/me...2CE058DB486445
    It seems relatively clear that a person is not required to be in the towed vehicle if the towed vehicle is steered, braked and otherwise controlled by the driver of the towing vehicle, ultimately by their operation of the towing vehicle:

    The Road Rules state:-

    294 (1) The driver of a motor vehicle must not tow
    another motor vehicle unless:
    (a) Either:
    (i) the driver can control the movement of the
    towed vehicle;
    or
    (ii) the brakes and steering of the towed vehicle
    are in working order and a person who is
    licensed to drive the towed vehicle is sitting
    in the driver’s seat of the towed vehicle, and
    is in control of it’s brakes and steering;
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    Frans that's is still the coolest shit ever.

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    I used my "A" frame tow bar to tow cars thousands of Km in ZA and here in WA. Even unregistered with permits. Even towed my '58 Chev Impala to its new home 600km with a C10 Chev pickup, and the family of 4 (2 kids) on the front seat.

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    Hurtling down the freeway with an old Dauphine on an A frame when the front wheel bearing failed on the Dauph and left a black skid mark for about a kilometre before I saw the smaoke from the tyre.
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    Hi
    It is not uncommon for people with motorhomes to tow a small car behind. Flat towing it with an A-frame would be as common as a trailer. You do not see many in the city for obvious reasons but when you get out a bit they are common. There is no person in the car and it is registered and has been wired so all the lights work.
    They tow them for a 'lap' around Australia. I have even seen bigger motorhomes towing a full size 4WD. Now that must be a thirsty rig The A-frame regs are state specific I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    Hurtling down the freeway with an old Dauphine on an A frame when the front wheel bearing failed on the Dauph and left a black skid mark for about a kilometre before I saw the smaoke from the tyre.
    I bet the resulting skid mark left the local hoons wondering what vehicle had the performance to do it.

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    Together with the change in the tow vehicle goes a change in my toolbox. I had the Black&Decker box now for 10 years and it was a gift from HarryA. Thanks, Harry!!! But now that won't have a station wagon anymore I got a more streamline one.





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    Quote Originally Posted by jaahn View Post
    Hi
    It is not uncommon for people with motorhomes to tow a small car behind. Flat towing it with an A-frame would be as common as a trailer. You do not see many in the city for obvious reasons but when you get out a bit they are common. There is no person in the car and it is registered and has been wired so all the lights work.
    They tow them for a 'lap' around Australia. I have even seen bigger motorhomes towing a full size 4WD. Now that must be a thirsty rig The A-frame regs are state specific I believe.
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    Does anyone else here cringe( when they see these 4wd vehicles being flat towed behind rv,s) at the thought of how long the bearings between input and output shafts last with engine/clutch/input shaft not rotating and output shaft travelling at road speed?.........jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacia4x4 View Post
    Does anyone else here cringe( when they see these 4wd vehicles being flat towed behind rv,s) at the thought of how long the bearings between input and output shafts last with engine/clutch/input shaft not rotating and output shaft travelling at road speed?.........jim
    No, possibly because there is very little load on the bearings compared with what they were designed for? I'd imagine a prudent owner would ensure they were lubricated?
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    No, possibly because there is very little load on the bearings compared with what they were designed for? I'd imagine a prudent owner would ensure they were lubricated?
    Hi Kim, the point I was trying to make is that in a normal top gear drive situation the input and out put shaft would be turning as one unit so the bearing between them would not be rotating (unless in a 5speed or 6 speed overdrive situation),where as in flat towing the input shaft is stationary and output shaft is rotating at road speed,so yes maybe minimum load but heat transfer would be massive possibly reducing bearing life.not even mentioning auto trans without rear oil pump out put shaft(tailshaft driven) when flat towing.........just a thought. jim
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    Don't think the heat generated that way would be anywhere near the heat generated when the g'box is under load.
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