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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    The sticking point will be a Manual transmission, and that will apply to all marques. French vehicles included.

    Personally I can't see why an auto would be so much of a compromise.

    If you impose enough conditions you can exclude everything on the market.
    My point is that we are not swamped for choice here in Australia, we have to buy what they want us to own.

    I can replace my 307 in the UK but not here. I can buy a Megane, 308, Golf or Rapide in a wagon with a diesel manual but not here.

    As for auto, I expect to get 500,000kms out of my cars. Plus manual is more fun and faster

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    If you have very specific preconceptions on what you think you need obviously the choice becomes more limited.

    Limiting your preferences to French, manual, diesel excludes the rest of the available vehicles

    Most people have far less restrictive preferences and the car market is tailored to suit them.

    If you are looking for a family car, small SUV, hatch or wagon of no specific marque you are indeed spoilt for choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    If you have very specific preconceptions on what you think you need obviously the choice becomes more limited.

    Limiting your preferences to French, manual, diesel excludes the rest of the available vehicles

    Most people have far less restrictive preferences and the car market is tailored to suit them.

    If you are looking for a family car, small SUV, hatch or wagon of no specific marque you are indeed spoilt for choice.
    No I disagree. UK are spoilt for choice. Here we're told to drive this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    If you have very specific preconceptions on what you think you need obviously the choice becomes more limited.

    Limiting your preferences to French, manual, diesel excludes the rest of the available vehicles

    Most people have far less restrictive preferences and the car market is tailored to suit them.

    If you are looking for a family car, small SUV, hatch or wagon of no specific marque you are indeed spoilt for choice.
    No I disagree. UK are spoilt for choice. Here we're told to drive this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    No I disagree. UK are spoilt for choice. Here we're told to drive this.
    Which is entirely your prerogative and choice.
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    Hyundai make a manual trans diesel compact I30 station wagon.

    I've just seen one out in the street.

    Doesn't look too bad either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    As far as versatility goes, the R16 series leaves all other Renault products in the shade until the arrival of the Scenic 1. Seats folded, seats out, they'd take anything. I've even had a 9 cu ft fridge in the back.........
    And you can take the R16 with the fridge in the back and put it in a R12 with the back seat folded.

    I don't think Australia can place orders with the major manufacturers. I guess we get leftovers of others' orders hence we have to buy what they sell not what we want. Small market, far away, etc. Most importantly (I think) is that our transport policies are out of step with the rest of the world, hence models launched to meet emissions/legislation etc elsewhere NOW don't make sense here.

    About Hyundai, I have seen a 70s Excel diesel in Vienna a couple of years ago. A big surprise not only that they made such models in that engine choice (back then) but that it was still on the road - a bit rusty, but working). That's an example of market targeting when a market is tempting enough to get into. Ours isn't.
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    I've even had a 9 cu ft fridge in the back.........

    With three slabs of VB inside and a very long extension lead ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    And you can take the R16 with the fridge in the back and put it in a R12 with the back seat folded.

    I don't think Australia can place orders with the major manufacturers. I guess we get leftovers of others' orders hence we have to buy what they sell not what we want. Small market, far away, etc. Most importantly (I think) is that our transport policies are out of step with the rest of the world, hence models launched to meet emissions/legislation etc elsewhere NOW don't make sense here.

    About Hyundai, I have seen a 70s Excel diesel in Vienna a couple of years ago. A big surprise not only that they made such models in that engine choice (back then) but that it was still on the road - a bit rusty, but working). That's an example of market targeting when a market is tempting enough to get into. Ours isn't.
    Having owned from new an R16 1498cc, an R16TS 1565cc, and then an R12 1289cc wagon, I'm happy to tell you that I'd prefer either 16 model to the R12 which was dependable but dull in comparison....I wore both R16's out rallying.....and carrying fridges....
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Hyundai make a manual trans diesel compact I30 station wagon.

    I've just seen one out in the street.

    Doesn't look too bad either
    Yes I know they do and I'd really like to see some sales figures to see how well there selling.

    The way I see it is that if say 5% of the market want manual and these cars are available in the UK and remember these days there is bugger all difference between Oz design rules and UK unlike the 70's and 80's when they had to redesign the whole car then why not bring them and give people choice. Manuals are so much more reliable and for people like me who do high kms it just makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Having owned from new an R16 1498cc, an R16TS 1565cc, and then an R12 1289cc wagon, I'm happy to tell you that I'd prefer either 16 model to the R12 which was dependable but dull in comparison....I wore both R16's out rallying.....and carrying fridges....
    Kim, Like you I recon I could write a book on how good the 16 was. Pity the world has forgotten how to build a universal car.
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    I'd really like to see some sales figures to see how well there selling.
    Not very well I'd suggest. The demand for manual cars is very limited in the Australian car market. And a manual diesel has even less demand.

    Why bother about sales numbers ? Choosing a vehicle is about your choice not what other's choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Kim, Like you I recon I could write a book on how good the 16 was. Pity the world has forgotten how to build a universal car.
    Please do!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Not very well I'd suggest. The demand for manual cars is very limited in the Australian car market. And a manual diesel has even less demand.

    Why bother about sales numbers ? Choosing a vehicle is about your choice not what other's choose.
    Yeah I know that but if I'm the only one who wants manual then no one will help me but if 5% do then there is a demand although limited.
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    I see you. Driving a R16 is on my bucket list. Plus they look gorgeous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    I see you. Driving a R16 is on my bucket list. Plus they look gorgeous.
    You've never driven one? Wow! It's just like a DS only sportier. One tip to driving a 16TS, don't baby it, the only way to fully appreciate it is to drive it like you stole it.
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