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    Default Koleos 235/r55/18 tyres

    Its time for some new tyres on the Koleos, and I wouldn't have a clue what's out there.
    Does anyone have any good tips for a good HP SUV tyre.
    Any stand out winners in cost VS performance??

    I only do urban driving with absolutely no off road stuff.

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    Good question but impossible to answer, as there is such a vast selection of tires (tyres?) out there. I just went with the original Kumho Solus set that served me well. At 60K had a lot of life left but I wanted 'peace of mind' for the rainy season.
    Mine are 17 inchers not 18's. Some tire suppliers like Bridgestone are offering 'four tires for the price of three' as also advertised on TV. I went for that very generous offer but was told that only applied to the cheapies. Sucker! Strike a blow for 'truth in advertising'!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Its time for some new tyres on the Koleos, and I wouldn't have a clue what's out there.
    Does anyone have any good tips for a good HP SUV tyre.
    Any stand out winners in cost VS performance??

    I only do urban driving with absolutely no off road stuff.

    Jo
    It seems you are going pay low or mid $200 per boot.

    I've favor Conti's for their wet grip.

    Brand: Continental
    Type: 235/55R18 Tyres
    Tyre Pattern: Premium Contact® 6
    Load Index: 100
    Eco Friendly: No
    Repairable Run Flat Tyre: No
    Run Flat Tyre: No
    Speed Rating: V

    Bob Jane has them $248.

    If price is no object I'd go for Yokos

    Brand: Yokohama
    Type: 235/55R18 Tyres
    Tyre Pattern: Advan Fleva V701
    Load Index: 100
    Eco Friendly: No
    Repairable Run Flat Tyre: No
    Run Flat Tyre: No
    Speed Rating: W
    Drive Style: Sport Performance

    However $307 is probably more than you want to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    It seems you are going pay low or mid $200 per boot.

    I've favor Conti's for their wet grip.

    Brand: Continental
    Type: 235/55R18 Tyres
    Tyre Pattern: Premium Contact® 6
    Load Index: 100
    Eco Friendly: No
    Repairable Run Flat Tyre: No
    Run Flat Tyre: No
    Speed Rating: V

    Bob Jane has them $248.

    If price is no object I'd go for Yokos

    Brand: Yokohama
    Type: 235/55R18 Tyres
    Tyre Pattern: Advan Fleva V701
    Load Index: 100
    Eco Friendly: No
    Repairable Run Flat Tyre: No
    Run Flat Tyre: No
    Speed Rating: W
    Drive Style: Sport Performance

    However $307 is probably more than you want to pay.
    I recommend the Hankook product, I'm now on my third set. Mine are 17's and I got 65K out of each set prior. Good dry and wet weather grip and extremely quiet. Around $250 each fitted
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Started similar thread in late 2016. Excellent advise /opinions from forum members. Main criteria was dry/wet grip/ responsiveness, with good comfort/low noise levels also sought. Lesser extent wear and cost.

    Fitted Continental Conti Premium Contact 5 225/60R17 99v road tyres (No off road driving, predominately Nth beaches with a weekly trip to Central Coast and 2-3 trips intrastate per year). $228.00 per tyre ($912.00 inclusive alignment, disposal old tyres etc).

    Whilst wife is the predominant driver, we both believe Contis a better tyre than the original Kumhos in our key requirements and even after 30,000 kms there doesn't appear to be any deterioration in those elements. They also appear to be lasting longer (approx. 40% wear.) Best test was going up the bends to Kilcare on the Central Coast with rain water washing over the bitumen. No slip at all with the Contis, Khumos not as sure footed. We could not be described as passive drivers.

    Choice ended up between the Contis and Hancock Dynapros. Very happy with the Contis.

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    Thanks for the replies.
    Seems continental get a thumbs up.

    Now to start looking around at prices.
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    First, I'd avoid all SUV specialised tyres & simply fit normal passenger tyres. This is because the former are comfort & longevity prioritised.

    My surmise is that you favour crisp response & wet grip as key criteria of choice.

    On these criteria, the best tyre available is Pirelli's PZ4 & the second best is Continental's PremiumContact6. The latter is about $40 cheaper per tyre.

    For your application, I'd choose the slightly less "fully sporting" PC6.

    Either would delight.

    Hit the "all tests" tabs & browse at:

    Continental Premium Contact 6 - Tyre Reviews

    Pirelli P Zero PZ4 - Tyre Reviews

    cheers! Peter

    Incidentally, the Yoko V701 is in an Auto Bild 2019 test which also has the above. As I would have predicted, it rates comparatively poorly in the wet.
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    hi jo, I fitted 255.55.17 on wife's kilos, MI's ordered instead of 235,s,but smoother ride and speed is spot on now instead of reading high. got them on line from Sydney can, t remember which company though, am in Vancouver at moment so can, t go through receipts, but was around $180 ea. .....jim

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    oops, should do spell check, fat fingers small screen.it was a koleos and the tyres are continental,had fit balance and disposal facilities so did myself.very happy with tyres...... jim

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    I'm reasonably assured that a lot of advice, correct or not, being offered in this thread is from people who have never owned a Koleos or ever fitted a new set of tyres to one.......
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    I'm reasonably assured that a lot of advice, correct or not, being offered in this thread is from people who have never owned a Koleos or ever fitted a new set of tyres to one.......
    I still appreciate it though.
    As usual, 4cvg gives informed tyre advice with perhaps the least subjectivity. I suspect he well understands my criteria for choice also.

    I head your advice too Kim.

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    We are who we are!
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    We are who we are!
    An understatement.

    In one thread you denigrate product produced Korean car manufacturers.

    In another thread you "sing the praises" of Korean manufactured tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    An understatement.

    In one thread you denigrate product produced Korean car manufacturers.

    In another thread you "sing the praises" of Korean manufactured tyres.
    You seem to have overlooked the fact that I was talking specifically about Japanese products. Here is what I said:

    "I'm old enough to remember when anything that came out of Japan was simply a copy of a western product. Nissan was Austin, Hino was Renault, etc. Japanese products were regarded as markedly inferior products back in the fifties......."

    Not a word about Korea.
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    You seem to have overlooked the fact that I was talking specifically about Japanese products. Here is what I said:

    "I'm old enough to remember when anything that came out of Japan was simply a copy of a western product. Nissan was Austin, Hino was Renault, etc. Japanese products were regarded as markedly inferior products back in the fifties......."

    Not a word about Korea.

    Frankly, I CBF searching, however I have a memory of you lumping "Asian car manufacturers" as a single category.

    If I'm mistaken, I wholeheartedly apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Frankly, I CBF searching, however I have a memory of you lumping "Asian car manufacturers" as a single category.

    If I'm mistaken, I wholeheartedly apologize.
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    Hi Jo,
    My take on tyres as fitted to my series 1 Koleos.
    The series 1 Koleos came with 17" wheels so you have to take that into account.

    Have had 3 brands.

    Hankook - Originals, seemed good at the time, however, looking back at them they are harder in the sidewall than the 2 brands of replacement tyres that followed. This leads to a fidgety ride. Acceptable in roadholding, certainly didn't display properties that I would cause me to replace them before they wore out.

    Continental - the ContiSportContact that I replaced them with had really soft sidewalls, lead me to give them a below average rating after having blown 3 of them whilst traveling in SA in the Flinders ranges. Hey, they're supposed to be a SUV tyre???????

    Yokohama - Geolander, current tyres at 170K's on the clock they're still going strong. Better in the sidewall than the contis, not as harsh as the Hankooks.

    The weight of the Koleos is such that you can't treat it as a sports car, obviously, but damn, even with the crappy Hankooks it handles exceedingly well, better than I would have thought a loaded 2tonne+ would. Hence the reason I refer to the sidewall stiffness, it's what you notice every day and having 18" wheels you'll feel it even more.....

    Try car tyres with an appropriate load rating? Don't know how the shoulders will last though.

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    Three things:

    First:
    It would be good if posters could be as specific as possible about the particular tyre type they are commenting on. I am not having a go at 85 Fuego but simply using the post to illustrate the point. Hankook is a brand not a tyre & there is huge performance profile variation across their offerings. Geolandar is a range, not a specific tyre type; ditto for Continental SportContact (although in the context of this size, it's clearly the SC5 SUV that's referred to).

    Second:
    One amendment to my remarks about the Pirelli PZ4: There are two main variants of this: sports car & luxury car. Which is present in a test is not always as clear as would be useful. Ditto for retailer listings. Looking at the PZ4 in this size, I now note the 'Vol' (for: Volvo OE fitting) annotation. This would, then, likely be the less sporting variant (mainly less crisply structured & with a slightly more siped & thus more unstable & less responsive tread.

    So, unlike its more sprorting variant, probably as suited to the application as the PC6.

    Third:
    My own experience of SUVs (two Foresters using 215/60-16) & tyre fitments is that the sooner I got away from 0E (or previous owner fitted) SUV tyre fitments to more crisply structured, stable-treaded & wet friendly compounded tyres, the nicer the car was dynamically. Each is now on the latest of a few sets of Bridgestone's RE003 Potenza.
    Low longevity is a feature of even the most cunningly compounded tyres if wet grip is a priority & the RE003 is an instance. Interestingly, given that the wet-friendly Conti PremiumContact 5 was also relatively short-lived, the PC6 manages to be both longer lived & even better in the wet than the PC5 - Continental have long had industry leading compound chemistry but something notable seems to be occurring.

    cheers! Peter

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    I have driven my Koleos Diesel nearly 140K. The tyres it was supplied with lasted 65K. I drive the car enthusiastically and in the mountains I do a lot more passing than getting passed. The tyres that came with the car were Hankook, the car I bought was an unusual version that was never sold here, a company demonstration vehicle. I enjoy driving at high speed where I can, and a lot faster than most I meet on dirt roads in the bush. The first and second fitment Hankooks have propelled the vehicle forward in 250 mm of mud. They have reached 200 km/h on dirt roads. They have kept the car going in 300 mm of snow. They have also managed to reach my vehicle's top speed on bitumen. They are extremely quiet and supple. No problems with sidewall failure on dirt or broken roads. Buy what you like for your Koleos!
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    Wow, I don't do any of those things Kim.

    I do go around corners faster than I should, and I do live in a suburb full of soccer mums in 7 seater light trucks who don't know or don't care for the road rules (like who has right of way at a give way sign), so cornering and braking are high up on my list.

    The Michelin Lattitude sports 3 that are now just hanging in after perhaps a few thousand KM less than I'd have expected, were good on the cornering, noise, comfort, but like the reviews said, not the best in the braking dept.
    Whilst the tyres never contributed to any brown pants moments, I felt the pulse of the ABS far too often on early mornings, when the roads were still damp and the soccer mums were out in numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    .............. Hankook is a brand not a tyre & there is huge performance profile variation across their offerings. Geolandar is a range, not a specific tyre type; ditto for Continental SportContact
    Agreed, but let's not be a pedant, is Jo likely to have racing gumballs put on?
    No, the Fuego has gone and the MX-5 has taken its place.

    Is he likely to replace it with a tyre with exceptional roadgrip/holding that a 2+tonne vehicle will destroy?
    Possibly.....

    Is he likely to have SUV tyres put on?
    More than likely, however, my suggestion is for tyres I HAVE HAD FITTED.
    Just like Kim's responses have been for his tyre choices.

    Is Hankook likely to have upgraded their entry level tyre as fitted to Kolei at the time by 1000%?
    No, so my answer was by the answer of the seat of my pants.

    Given the new Koleos comes with NEXENS, the roadholding will obviously rise 1000% (NOT!).
    Unless we have a same make race with Kolei fitted with various tyres the answer will be subjective.

    I have had the same tyres fitted that were fantastic on a hot Golf but crap on a bog std Commodore.

    One can't equate tyres fitted to a permanent 4WD low centre-of-gravity jacked up sedan with a predominantly FWD vehicle that is the next class size up being driven on rutted Sydney roads.

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    Buy what you like for your Koleos!

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    This is my current set of donuts:

    https://www.hankooktire.com/au/passe...-hp2-ra33.html

    Mine are 225x60x17, quiet and comfortable around town, good in the wet and work well on gravel, dirt and snow at high and low speeds. The last two sets gave over 65K life with one puncture between them. I'd suggest your ride quality could be reduced on 18" rims compared with 17".
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    Just a few remarks & then I think that I'll bail out & let Jo decide what notice he wishes to take of my observations. There are three seemingly suitable Hankooks available on Bob Jane's listing. Their performance profiles differ. It helps to know which one is recommended.

    I do not suggest that any tyre suitable in one application will be suitable in any application. Hence my initial reservations about the PZ4 (now withdrawn as the applicable variant of it is suitable to the type of vehicle under discussion). The PC6 can hardly be accused of being harsh & overly prioritised for crisp response. (I would not have recommended the SportContact6 for a Koleos were it to have been available.)

    I can't see any reason not to prefer the PC6 over alternatives. The alternatives do not have to be rubbish to be inferior on the criteria explicitly guiding my choice & the qualities of the PC6 do not have to be used in fanging to be worth having (the emergency brake &/or swerve in the wet come to mind).

    I've just noticed an SUV test including the PC6.

    http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...-Tyre-Test.htm

    YMMV Peter
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