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    Default Electronic ignition R16 TS Ducellier

    Purchased a kit from a UK vendor that supposedly fits most manufacturer's Ducellier distributors of the period.
    Well this kit won't/doesn't fit mine.
    The reluctor fits the cam & the pickup arrangement fits on the breaker plate.

    Problem is neither part will fit when the other is installed.

    My distributor is Ducellier & marked:
    5250660
    R243D59
    The housing ID is 59mm
    The engine is Renault 16TS 1.6 litre
    Motor model & serial number:
    807-11
    0581

    The distributor has an external adjustment for point gap/dwell which is not quite the same as the photograph in his fitting instructions.

    The 3rd picture shows the slight difference between the points on his installation diagram & the points in the distributor on my vehicle.

    The vendor initially indicated he had no record of me or my purchase & has not answered additional correspondence attempts including one showing an copy of his invoice.

    Not like he would sell many of these things to anyone in Robina, Australia.

    Any help as to why these components won't fit this particular distributor would be greatly appreciated.








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    Might not help much, but with external adjustment, it might be a Renault 18 distributor. I’ve fitted similar systems to Bosch distributors and never encountered issues. Wonder if it would fit the non external adjustment version. I take it the reason it doesn’t fit isn’t due to the ID of the distributor, but due to the point mounting plate fixing point being too close to the shaft?

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    Wonder if it would fit the non external adjustment version. I'm sure it may fit most others as this guy has no negative feedback but his non communication is horrible I take it the reason it doesn’t fit isn’t due to the ID of the distributor, but due to the point mounting plate fixing point being too close to the shaft? Exactly my problem


    This engine is in a 1949 Citroen Traction Avant plus I'm not familiar European vehicle distributors.
    That being said with the same ID as the non external adjusted model maybe I could just change out the breaker plate & then the electronic parts I have may fit.
    Any other suggestions or distributor swaps, please?

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    123 Ignition replacement electronic distributor?
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    No, not 123 Powerspark.

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    Hmm. When I fitted my Hotspark to the R8 Ducellier, I had to shave the rotating cammy thing a bit with a fine file to clear the red static component. Sounds as if that won't help you.

    Is it a 16TS engine in a Traction? Wow. That's one way of doing it.

    Let's hope some of the 16 folk read this and come up with suggestions. Might be you need a different Ducellier distributor or something heroic with the one you've got. Quite a few of these kits have been fitted perfectly easily.

    Good luck.

    The 123 distributors are wonderful. But that's not your question. Nauli was possibly suggesting one not asking whether you had one.

    Cheers
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    Yes it is coming together well just another 2 or 3 weeks.

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    Very neat, and AC!! Thanks for the photos.
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    As an 807-11 motor, it is from an R15TS automatic originally. The distributor does indeed look like an 18GTS version with the externally adjustable points, except the shaft on it would be too short as it has a non crossflow type head. Perhaps the distributor is from an R20TL that had the crossflow version of the 807 type engine. Interesting.
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    Thats awesome ! I have a peugeot 404 ducellier distibutor you can have a look at if that's any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan moore View Post
    As an 807-11 motor, it is from an R15TS automatic originally. The distributor does indeed look like an 18GTS version with the externally adjustable points, except the shaft on it would be too short as it has a non crossflow type head. Perhaps the distributor is from an R20TL that had the crossflow version of the 807 type engine. Interesting.
    Explains the pulleys at both ends I guess!
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    Pulleys weren't @ both ends, just harmonic balance on the firewall end but with some simple adaption fitted a double A pulley & a couple of 11AV1230 belts to suit the application.
    Motor mounts are hand fabricated, bolted in place if the traction spring jobs & fitted with Landrover diesel isolators.

    Marty please give me a call 'oh for one for for two two seven six six'. Your help would be most welcome. Thx JG.

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    Always good to drive a compressor with two belts.... And, in your case, not from the end of the camshaft....
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    I’ll have a look and see if I have a Ducellier distributor off a 16Ts or 17tl. Might be the solution. If you can get your money back from the supplier, might be better to convert to a Bosch one as there are plenty around in aus and use a pertronix kit as they’re available locally and have shops and after sales service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    The 123 distributors are wonderful. But that's not your question. Nauli was possibly suggesting one not asking whether you had one.

    Cheers
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    There is a FIX for ELECTRONIC IGNITION KITS that FIT MOST but not all DUCELLIER DISTRIBUTORS:
    The model distributors these readily available inexpensive $50-70 kits fit are listed & I'm sure many of these distributors will need some modification, even though most will be minor.

    I will post a tutorial with pictures later tonight or tomorrow on how to achieve success.
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