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    Sorry for the delay, but sadly work got in the way of more important things.

    Anyway, where were we?

    Oh, yes, rotten floorboards. That was in June 2017.

    While the car was receiving metallic surgery, another Continental trip was undertaken. Hence the usual thorough travel preparations were made.







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    There is precious little interesting stuff to be spotted on motorways nowadays.




    Cue the and then come two joke here.




    It became slightly better when we reached the ferry port.










    We had a chat with the chaps who drove this. They were on their way to the Grand Prix in Zeltweg.






    Then a ship was boarded and disembarked, some driving was done and upon arrival at our destination, the day was ended with a party.




    Our humble harbourage:




    We noticed that our conveyance did a sterling job failing to blend in with the local street furniture.




    Some car spotting was done.








    We almost felt at home.




    Then we did some shopping.




    And some more shopping.




    Once back home, other important issues were addressed.












    And some not really so important ones.


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    Now it was time to think about interior decoration.
    Suggestions such like this were quickly discarded:




    Hence for now the original stuff had been opted for.






    Not pretty and it has a nasty habit of trapping condensation. Hence there are plans to replace this stuff with breathable carpet.


    Also, the seats from the shopping trip to that France were installed.






    The result of such doing:




    This used to be required to apply for a registration in the Ununited Kingdom.

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    Forms were filled out and sent off.
    While the bureaucracy did its thing, all sorts of numberplates and frames were removed. To my delight, this was underneath it all:



    It's the car's first reg and it is a Parisian one!

    Also, more wattage was added to the headlights.




    Then this arrived:




    So the plates were printed on my printer and my wife's laminating machine was commandeered.




    A few days later, this arrived:




    And look:




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    Glad to see you appreciate the gorgeous Twingo too.... Nice work and thanks for the pictures!
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    I hope you find my photos and drivel halfways entertaining.
    I always enjoy car stories and photos from far, far away, so I thought you might do, too.

    Yeah, the Twingo we never got. There are a few grey imports kicking about and I can see myself getting one before it gets on the radar of the mainstream collectors.

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    Sadly for us, the Twingo was never offered in RHD as far as I know. Superb little cars.

    The "new" Twingo is RHD and what's more, rear-engined. But it isn't in Oz either....
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    Twingo 1 wasn't available in the UK either, for said reason. There are a few LHDs around now, because people have imported them themselves. Twingo RWD RHD is officially sold here, but is selling in such minuscule numbers, that they are going to take if off the portfolio.

    Stay tuned for the next installment of the R16 Saga soon. I want to continue this until we arrive at the 'now' and then use this thread as a kind of blog documenting what the future has in petto.

    I will also need some advice on a few things I don't really get to grips with.
    I mean, everything can eventually be figured out, I even managed to set up the ignition after seventeen failed attempts, then ultimately reenacting French thinking with the help of the better part of two bottles of red wine, but why bother when there are people around that already went through the process many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austria Wild View Post
    I will also need some advice on a few things I don't really get to grips with.
    I mean, everything can eventually be figured out, I even managed to set up the ignition after seventeen failed attempts, then ultimately reenacting French thinking with the help of the better part of two bottles of red wine, but why bother when there are people around that already went through the process many times.
    I have very fond memories of my first (dud) car and first purchase, first R16 when I was 17.

    I bought it in a carpark south of Perth in the dark.
    On the way home I thought I'd wind up the window but the drivers window wasn't there.

    Amongst other things the engine was stuffed, blown head and gunked up with 'no leaks'.

    My next door neighbor was a mechanic / truck driver, strictly a holden man and cried / laughed when he saw the strange little french car I'd bought. In the daylight, there was a ding in every panel, terminal rust in the pillars, sills and underbody.

    I found a donor car with a really nice body, dog eaten interior (with no engine) and a reco-ed engine from a wreck. The owners 12yo son removed it in front of my eyes in 10 mins flat. Ren-Wreck I think it was called.

    I had not realised at that stage, it was too late for me, and the sickness had taken hold.

    12 months later I had new rubber and shocks all round, and running sweet.
    But it wasn't a lack of head scratching, banging and cursing along the way.
    I know if I need to do an engine change anytime soon I can do it in 4 hours (my personal best)

    There are moves that aren't in any of the manuals, that I'm sure many here know, like removing driveshafts without removing the hubs.. using the scissor jack that came with the car to move everything sideways. Or the joys of shoe-horning an engine / gearbox in without crushing things.

    I converted many of my friends after they had experienced the fun of driving the R16TS, the jeering stopped, and it was often defended at how much fun it was.

    How they love to rev, and the 'spritely' gear changes you can get with 4 on the tree!

    I've since owned and driven x6 R16s over the years, such great little cars, I'll always be smitten.
    The only thing more fun is a rear engined renault.

    Dispute the haters, very well thought out and engineered (if not over engineered) to be Renault's answer to the DS with it's long suspension travel.

    I started to embrace the Holden and Ford one eyedness, and the haters, as my own little secret of how good the cars are, built in VIC and how underrated, like our own little secret.

    I still think about putting one on the road as a daily driver, but TAS doesn't have the same (brilliant) historic reg scheme VIC has.

    The Scenic RX4 that is waiting for my Hyundai to die reminds me a lot of the 16 in versatility and body roll.

    What was it so famously you could fit in the back of an R16?
    The P76 was a 44 Gallon drum, might struggle to get that in the back of a 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post
    What was it so famously you could fit in the back of an R16?

    I have no idea, but it must have been very, very interesting.


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    One answer is a 44 Gallon drum. You can. I've done it.....
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    Well, after it was registered, it was ready for the road, right?

    Fraid not.





    Some ad hoc bodgage commenced.



    Tis fookt.




    So let's fix it before it can be called an FTP.




    Behold the elegant repair!






    Also behold the condition of the car!








    Ultimately it was this part that gave all that trouble by failing after merely 51 years. French cars, etc etc.




    Sadly it's made from unobtainium, so a fish tank shop was raided.


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    Might explain the drainage back to the overflow jar? Great effort with the screwdriver.

    Good opportunity to clean up the rust under that removable panel too!

    And yes, those French cars.... So unreliable and so quick to wear out. I had to replace the front rotors on the R8 at only 45 years.
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    I would have loved to clean up the rust underneath the scuttle cover. Unfortunately there is none, so I had to remain idle.
    I did, however, replace the grommet for the cable of the Phamous Phlap, which means the passenger footwell is no longer flooded.

    Anyway, a lot has happened since. A lot.

    Next thing was that the brake pedal gave me that sinking feeling. Well, I'm not one of those usual wimps who overrate brakes, but considering it's a single circuit system, it was a tad unnerving even for me.
    So I ordered a new master Cylinder. This was when I found out that my car was built in the year before the ones you can get spares for, since the Master Cylinder I had ordered was wrong.




    Long story short, I wasn't prepared to pay the insane amount the R16 "specialists" charge for the correct one, so I merely whacked an overhaul kit into it. It's been fine ever since.

    I then tried to bleed the brakes employing the advanced Austria-Wild-Bleed-O-Matic.




    But it turned out that a caring previous owner had replaced a bleed nipple with a broken off self tapper, that resisted all attempts of removal.




    Again, I wasn't prepared to shell out for a new caliper for which the R16 "Specialists" want a bloody fortune, because I am not a rich man, and even if I were, I wouldn't pay those prices, because I'm a tight fisted bastard. So I bought one for a Zastava from a classic car specialist in Pula in Croatia. It cost me 24 Quid including postage and it's made from pure gold, what the remanufactured tosh from those specialists bloody well should be considering what they want for them.




    To counterbalance the fitting of my car with such non original items, I installed a set of genuinely Parisian sparking plugs.



    Now, the eagle eyed anal anoraks among you will have spotted that these calipers are period incorrect for my car as well.
    They would be correct for 1968 and later cars and strictly speaking require that 'wrong' Master Cylinder I bought.
    But in order to use that MC, I'd have to change the pedal box to the later type. Which means I'd have to change the steering column, too, which means I'd have to change the shift linkage.
    So sod that. I can live with a slightly longer pedal travel for the time being. The time being meaning until I install two tins full of original calipers I managed to snatch off a professor in Germany for beer tokens.


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    However, what's much more important than all this safety bollocks is looking cool. Hence the next thing to tackle was the rather Paris spec front bumper.




    In order to do this, a man who owns a car was visited.




    His car also has a Phlap.






    He gave me a few bits he had kicking about.




    I assembled them.




    In case you will ever do this, please be aware that there are two different sizes of dumb irons.




    Captive nut no longer being captive shocker.




    Have a bonus shot of a debumpered R16:




    What was to be an easy afternoon's job took until well into the evening.


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    Next up were those terrible newfangled low profile tyres. They just had to go.
    So when I ran into some loot because my Anaconda Copper shares piked, this arrived shorty afterwards.



    Look at the difference:




    They really transformed the car. Appearance and driving wise.




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    Notice how wrong this air filter is for my car?





    That's because the carby underneath is also wrong for my car.




    And this means, the manifold is wrong for my car, too.

    Ergo some purchases were made.








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    So, let's rip that newfangled tosh out of a perfectly fine running car.




    And replace it with wares the functionality of which is hitherto unbeknownst.



    It didn't go without the usual fight put uppage. I spare you the nasty details and sophisticated lyrics accompanying these antics.

    A carby was cleaned.




    Then it was installed.




    Then the car ran like shit. So it was opened.



    There was a flock of bloody elephants living in it. so it was uninstalled. And cleaned.





    And put back in the car.



    And it ran beautifully.
    But snake oil was added despite.



    And it looks the part.


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    Breakfast.




    Road trip.




    A port was reached.




    A ship was embarked upon.




    The journey's destination was a car park in France.




    There were spares for sale.






    Behold Squire Dawson's footwear.




    More tat was seen.








    People were surprisingly clued up.






    Occasionally we felt as if we were at home.






    There were even some French cars.


















    Want level critical:






    We deserved these:




    Items were purchased.




    The only place where one could park for free in Rouen was the pedestrainised zone.




    One of our friends had to cancel the trip at the last minute and stay at home.
    But that didn't hinder us to order a beer for him as well.



    We did this repeatedly until visible intoxication was achieved.


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    The next morning we did some sightseeing.






    Then we drove home, where we eventually arrived.


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    Then came Easter Weekend. Which was last weekend.

    It was time to replace that rotten rest of the sound deadening at the bulkhead.








    And since Easter Weekend is long, the bits obtained at the autojumble in France were put to good use.










    And this, my friends, is where I currently am with my shonky half arsed parts car.

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    So much fun. Thanks.

    I presume, regarding your new master cylinder it is just the Lockheed trick of changing the internals of the MC piston - they seemed to enjoy doing this to confuse future owners so that they find the pushrod is the wrong length at the wrong time. This process is designed for Sunday afternoons or long holidays when key people can't be found to help. Anyway, a kit in the new one is a perfect solution - why not do that after all?

    Luckily for you, I see your spare wheel has the rust that was designed for the plenum chamber. This is a bonus as it is easy to get at there.

    I imagine the car much prefers the new tyres too.

    I think many of us here in Oz were far too polite to comment on the insulation - it sure looks a lot better with new stuff.

    Your photos also explain that strange term "small beer". That in turn explains why many were needed I suppose.

    Some of our Renault 750s have a Phlap too, but they were discontinued later in the production run. Ours give a dramatic blast of air (unlike a Renault 16, it must be said) and need to be opened regularly to avoid accumulated dust and spiders blowing over the occupants. Unlike some cars, the 750 Phlap lacks a flyscreen and quick action is needed if you encounter a swarm of bees - I know this from experience!

    Cheers

    Keep up the good work.
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    I wouldn't have been able to hear any comments regarding the insulation. What did you say?

    The spare wheel, yes. It's a rusty TX wheel, don't ask.
    I was hoping to find a correct one at the jumble in France and this was actually the main reason for my visit.
    Alas, to my surprise, R16 bits were rather thin on the grounds, wheels notwithstanding.
    Imagine my delight to find those door cards in exactly the required colour. Had I needed them in any other colour, I'd have drawn a blank!
    It was there and then I realised how rare those cars really became, which was constantly confirmed by French people surrounding it all day.

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    Besides, those were the large beers.

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    Those were the LARGE ones? Good grief. Google "Darwin stubby" and see what you find.

    I heard that in Europe many 16s were scrapped due to rust in the rear suspension mounting points, an uneconomic repair. My good friend in France said years ago that they were also about the first Renault where parts supplies were computerised, so dealers didn't need to carry great stocks as they had for earlier cars as they were despatched quickly. So there are no stashes of old stuff being discovered. You were very lucky with the door cards!

    The insulation? Didn't say a word, just shuddered.

    Cheers
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    Them bloody computers ruined everything.
    Yes, the suspension mounting points were the achilles heel and many an R16 was bridged because of them.
    I didn't bother to fill out a lotto ticket the week I found the door cards.

    I actually commented about the insulation a lot IRL, yet it took me the better part of two years to finally sort it.
    The floor is currently also covered with that stuff, but in half the thickness. It's that space programme closed cell foam that weighs nothing and doesn't get soaked when wet.

    Believe it or not, I haven't driven the car yet, so I don't know whether all the effort makes any difference at all.

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