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    Default R8 Gordini RA1135 Cylinder Head

    This is my first post on AussieFrogs.

    I have heard it said that there is a guy called Franz in NZ who might be able to supply an R8 Gordini cylinder head- for a RA1135- even may know how to source a new one in South Africa?

    Is this a urban myth?

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    The all mighty.powerful Franz but does exist!

    As to the rest, well pm him and find out.

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    Wow how the Myth grows ........ !!!!

    "Leger Corner" There are no new ones available in the world, unless they are stored for the purpose of future use by the owners. The only ones available are real ratty used ones that will take a lot of money to make good. Be aware the R1134 is different to the R1135.

    Frans' thread is here, he explains the trials and tribulations of running and building a R1135.

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    What is wrong with your 1135 head, we will talk about your head later ???

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    By the way "geckoeng" has also worked on Gordinis.

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    For what it's worth, ClubDjet, of which I am a member, is commissioning a casting of new 1255 heads. Should anyone wish to be in contact with the (English-speaking) president of that club, then pm me.
    As I understand it, for it to go ahead some minimum # must be committed to & the club isn't yet there. As an incentive, these initial commitments would involve a discounted price.
    ClubDjet is technically meticulous in its reproduction activities & one could buy with confidence.
    cheers! Peter
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    I know we’ve been through this before, but I can’t rember where, just what is involved in plonking one of these on an ordinary 810 block?
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    Camshaft, rocker gear, push rods, cam followers, Connrods, pistons, crankshaft.

    Re-machining head to get combustion chambers to line up with liners.
    Clearancing block for push rods. Machining block for big cam followers.

    Ask "Harry A" his is 1475cc.

    At the end of the day, far better to find an R5 Alpine in Europe (?) and put it in. A much better motor .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    For what it's worth, ClubDjet, of which I am a member, is commissioning a casting of new 1255 heads. Should anyone wish to be in contact with the (English-speaking) president of that club, then pm me.
    As I understand it, for it to go ahead some minimum # must be committed to & the club isn't yet there. As an incentive, these initial commitments would involve a discounted price.
    ClubDjet is technically meticulous in its reproduction activities & one could buy with confidence.
    cheers! Peter
    Just received a club email; the minimum number has been achieved.

    cheers! Peter
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    Thanks Geko.

    When you you think about it the standard 810 block, rods and crank as a fairly robust little unit. A SOHC would’ve been a sweet little adddition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    Camshaft, rocker gear, push rods, cam followers, Connrods, pistons, crankshaft.

    Re-machining head to get combustion chambers to line up with liners.
    Clearancing block for push rods. Machining block for big cam followers.

    Ask "Harry A" his is 1475cc.

    At the end of the day, far better to find an R5 Alpine in Europe (?) and put it in. A much better motor .

    Ray
    Pretty easy then....

    I didn't realize Harry had 1475 cc! No wonder it goes well.

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    I have had an R1130 sitting tarped up in my backyard for " just 6 months" . Well that had well and truely come and gone when my son needed the space for his 36 foot boat. So the car went off to another storage space, at least car port this time. But just out of interest there is a R5 Alpine motor sitting in the back seat. The car has a 12 motor in the engine bay. But the whole thing needs a lot of work. I would buy the R5 motor if it was for sale but its not.

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    Sunroof,
    The R5 Alpine motor is almost identical to the R12 1400cc except it has a crossflow "hemi" head. It looks very similar to the R1134/5. Plenty of good equipment available. Inlet manifolds for twin Webers. And can be mad to look very much like a R1135 Gordini motor.

    See Nauli's R5A motor in Projects
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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    Sunroof,
    The R5 Alpine motor is almost identical to the R12 1400cc except it has a crossflow "hemi" head. It looks very similar to the R1134/5. Plenty of good equipment available. Inlet manifolds for twin Webers. And can be mad to look very much like a R1135 Gordini motor.

    See Nauli's R5A motor in Projects
    I agree with Ray on this, the R5 engine is a gem.

    See my R5 engine with the rocker cover made to look like the R8G one. Only train spotters will pick the differences.
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    Hello Peter,

    Ray of Geckoeng suggested contacting you via Aussie Frogs and here you are. And with very exciting news.

    I won the R8G that Ray rebuilt and while everything else in the engine is tip top, the cylinder head is dodgy. Presently investigating various older heads, a little unclear whether they are serviceable.

    If it were possible to acquire a reproduction cylinder head that would be amazing. Could you please provide me with contacts etc.

    To state the obvious I would be very grateful!!!

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    Now that some interest seems apparent, I will contact the president tonight & find out the protocols, price, timelines & so on. These will be included only in private correspondence with inquirers who contact me.

    cheers! Peter
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    Sorry for my inexperience in writing the above. If it was not obvious I was wanting to follow up 4cvg's reference to ClubDJet's casting of new heads.

    Thank you

    Andrew

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    Hi there in downunder,
    there was already a reproduction of these cylinder-heads in France distributed by the now closed company 'Colombo' and Mecaparts.

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    Hi Ove,
    The Colombo heads were sold out 3+ years ago, with no intention of another run. Because the profit margin was very small for the time and effort.

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    Hi All,

    Saw this thread and read the comments. I agree with them all but a question for Leger: are you restoring to original spec or will the substitute do?

    I have not used the R5 head yet because of 1) I don't have one and 2) my mind or heart tells me that I can make more power with the old head on the same mods because of the "Twin Spark" feature of the old head.

    With that I have originality and performance

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    Hi Frans,

    My priority is simply to get the car going again, and to make it bullet proof enough for a limited amount of historic racing (regularity) in New South Wales. I have a number of irons in the fire- waiting on expert advice re the state of the existing head and another, but the idea of a newly manufactured one is attractive to say the least.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leger Corner View Post
    Hi Frans,

    My priority is simply to get the car going again, and to make it bullet proof enough for a limited amount of historic racing (regularity) in New South Wales. I have a number of irons in the fire- waiting on expert advice re the state of the existing head and another, but the idea of a newly manufactured one is attractive to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leger Corner View Post
    Hi Frans, My priority is simply to get the car going again, and to make it bullet proof enough for a limited amount of historic racing (regularity) in New South Wales. I have a number of irons in the fire- waiting on expert advice re the state of the existing head and another, but the idea of a newly manufactured one is attractive to say the least. Cheers Andrew
    Well done Andrew. A good buy I'd say, having watched the Geckoeng restoration from a rather tired car to what you have. I can't comment on the head matter but a good batch of new ones has some appeal! I'll be seeing Frans on Sunday - any specific questions, just send a PM.

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