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    hi, new to forum. my name is len and i live in adealaide. i have found 2 r12's, 1 is a 1976 in good condition minus engine the other a72, is complete but has a lot of rust. it is complete with all part in tacts and has a good engine. it hasn't been started since 2007 but after cranking up to get oil circulating it started straight away no noises or smoke. i will be putting it it the good car. my questions are where to look to find replacement engine or a up date. which one is the easyist to find. how far should i take a resto? where to find brake updates. i thought of making a gordini look alike, would this be worth while. to front up to the parking lot meets with. i'm an oldy and remember these cars in my younger days but had litte interest being into holdens. what do you recon?

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    Hi Len

    Welcome to the forum.

    There are lots of things that can be done with these cars from mild to wild, just depends on what you want and how much you want to spend.

    You have enough parts between the two cars that you have to get a car on the road. Most parts from the very first R12 here to the last (Virage) will fit on any model.

    If you want more power you can put in an engine from the R15/17 cars, the best and easiet way here is to find an R15 or17 that is way past restoration and use it, that way you will have all the parts that you need (saves chasing parts from all over the country and is cheaper to)

    There is plenty of help here so just ask as many questions as you like, and in the traditional AF way post up some picks of you cars and that way will help in giving advice as to what to use off the cars you have.
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    thanks for reply. will post pics soon.

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    Welcome Len. All the AF members here are a great bunch and help with advice, tech and even parts if needed. 1 funny guy here is slowly parting out his r12 and will soon realize he has no car left to enjoy racing and just become his dogs kennel. Have fun anyway
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    Animal welfare is nothing to be joked at!

    But yes there isn't much left to give out, but enough about me.

    Yaaaaay another couple of 12's!

    This place is great, there are some here (like Shoji above) whom are doing crazy nut and bolt replacements to make old new again, then there are muppets like me who barely know which was is up, and yet they still seem to put up with me and my inane questions. Point being, I'm sure you'll be welcome here with what ever your attitudes toward old cars are
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    Is any of the two cars an auto?

    If yes, you even have the option of adding a 5 speed g'box.
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    both cars are manual. will be looking for another motor while getting the car on the road in case i have a problem with the one i have.

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    The orange 1972 car is the most rust I think i have ever seen in an R12. The 1972 models seem to suffer a bit from rust.

    I can see a tiny bit in the right rear door of the white car.

    Can you post a pic of the engine in the orange car and the interior of the white car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    The orange 1972 car is the most rust I think i have ever seen in an R12. The 1972 models seem to suffer a bit from rust.

    I can see a tiny bit in the right rear door of the white car.

    Can you post a pic of the engine in the orange car and the interior of the white car?

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    will get motor pic tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by swagman View Post
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    That car looks like it will have the later dash board
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    Quote Originally Posted by swagman View Post
    will get motor pic tomorrow
    Also get a pic of the motor number
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    Wow. What a nice interior.

    Col, doesn't the white one look like a Virage?

    I have a R17 engine for sale.

    It's on the other side of the country though.

    The red one looks catastrophically affected by rust, but I would check the body shell to make sure. Left A pillar shows rust though, and in those places rust comes from inside. Passenger front door however looks alright. Removable panels are not a big problem if you can find spares locally. The body could be salvageable (kept as spare?). I had a R17 which looked like that, but the body was absolutely rust free. Bonnet, doors, tailgate were shot.

    The reverse can also be true. You can have a totally rusted out shell with good removable panels, so I would check both cars closely before starting to scrap stuff.
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    Was that bonnet eaten away.. eeeep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    Wow. What a nice interior.

    Col, doesn't the white one look like a Virage?
    Yes it does at first glance but its not, the wheels are wrong.

    Sometime in 1976 the R12 had an upgrade with different grill, bumper, dash, steering wheel, engine.

    I think the first Virage was 1978
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    Yes, the wheels look wrong, but did we have a 12 with those bumpers?
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    the grille and dash and lights are different to than orange one. id plate says 3 76.
    the rust is bad. but most of the panels and door are salvageable. the pillar is the wosrt and bonet is hardly there. how much for the r17 motor?

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    That looks like an 810-007??? the top number on the engine plate is what type of engine the car has, your photo shows the actual engine number.

    I see it has the Weber dual barrel cabie and at a guess that is a 1289cc engine.

    The price for a R17 motor depends on lots if things which motor it is and its condition.
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    819 067

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    Sorry 810 067

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    Quote Originally Posted by swagman View Post
    Sorry 810 067
    Thats a 1289cc. I think the orange car had an engine designated 842 XX that was 1250cc (due to Aussie content rules) with a single barrel Solex fitted. My first R12 was a 1972 car and it had a single barrel Solex carbie. It was 35+ years ago and can't remember exact details
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    Thanks for info. Any one used the Chinese cylon heads on Ebay. They are about 300 bucks clams to have cross flow to fit r12s

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    Quote Originally Posted by swagman View Post
    Thanks for info. Any one used the Chinese cylon heads on Ebay. They are about 300 bucks clams to have cross flow to fit r12s
    I don't think that you can just bolt a cross flow head straight onto block to gain some horse power. You will need to change the camshaft as well, because the the exhaust and inlet lobe sequence is different like below.

    Cross flow In Ex In Ex In Ex In Ex

    Non Cross flow Ex In In Ex EX In IN EX

    This is how it is with the 807 series of engines and I can't see it being any different with the sierra series of engines.
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