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    Where does the retractable mechanism part of the front seat belt attach to in a R17?

    I canít find any useful photos on the interweb (most show the earlier non retractable belts). The parts manual doesnít really show it.

    Iím guessing it shares the same threaded hole with the lower end of the rear seat belt? That way it would go close to vertical to the anchor point high up on the C pillar and the other end bolts to the hole near the front seat (on the lower sill).

    Can anyone confirm?

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    Hi Jensen

    PM me your email address and I will scan the appropriate pages out of the parts book
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi Jensen

    PM me your email address and I will scan the appropriate pages out of the parts book

    Hi Col.
    That would be interesting. would you mind sending it to me as well?
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    Hi mate. I can send you a photo of mine when I get home. Itís on the pillar just above the floor.


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    This thread is most timely. Just yesterday I was checking out the web for people doing licensed rewebbing in Perth. My R17 belts need some love too.

    I too wondered if there was an inertia reel belt suitable for these cars. I remember a while back a thread, debate really, on the relative safety of inertia real belts, i think the jist of the anti side was that there was so much give in the belt that the occupant would hit something before the belt stopped taking up the slack/stretching. Given the R17 belt is already quite long this might be an issue to consider.

    That said, Col, could you please include me in the mailout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post
    This thread is most timely. Just yesterday I was checking out the web for people doing licensed rewebbing in Perth. My R17 belts need some love too.

    I too wondered if there was an inertia reel belt suitable for these cars. I remember a while back a thread, debate really, on the relative safety of inertia real belts, i think the jist of the anti side was that there was so much give in the belt that the occupant would hit something before the belt stopped taking up the slack/stretching. Given the R17 belt is already quite long this might be an issue to consider.

    That said, Col, could you please include me in the mailout.

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    Thanks Col
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    Quote Originally Posted by nauli View Post
    My A110 has retractable belts which were done by somebody in Kewdale. Colin Bonney could tell you who....
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    Make certain all is good with an Engineer on theses mods.

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    Yes I had mine done with a mob in Perth but can't remember who it was. $450 later. Lap sash gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post
    This thread is most timely. Just yesterday I was checking out the web for people doing licensed rewebbing in Perth. My R17 belts need some love too.

    I too wondered if there was an inertia reel belt suitable for these cars. I remember a while back a thread, debate really, on the relative safety of inertia real belts, i think the jist of the anti side was that there was so much give in the belt that the occupant would hit something before the belt stopped taking up the slack/stretching. Given the R17 belt is already quite long this might be an issue to consider.

    That said, Col, could you please include me in the mailout.

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    I was the author of the "anti" case in those threads. If there is any technically feasible way of fitting a manually adjustable 3 point belt to the R17, then I'd recommend doing so & avoiding the more dangerous inertia-reel alternative - rationale available on request.

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    Rather than hijack this thread would you be so kind as to bump the original thread.

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    Thanks everyone including COL for the info.

    A bit more searching today and I found a photo showing the inertia reel seatbelts in a 17 (albeit a phase 2... those seats!).

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8177/8...9d9c028b_b.jpg

    Turns out the rear door cards in the later cars are differnet. They donít have an arm rest (which would otherwise interfere with the seat belt path) and the mounting hole on the pillar is closer to the front.

    I remembered I had put some earlier door cards in mine with the arm rests. I just removed one and can confirm there were both threaded holes in position to fit the inertia belts, and threaded holes to mount non-retractable belts.

    Iíll have a read of the seat belt thread to inform which way I progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post
    Rather than hijack this thread would you be so kind as to bump the original thread.

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    I have no idea where it is; I simply responded to your remark.

    So-called hijacking of a thread can also be viewed as a conversational enlargement & enrichment, a long-standing AF tradition of some merit. It is easy to scroll past entries which are irrelevant to one's interest.

    cheers! Peter
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    I have no idea where it is; I simply responded to your remark.

    So-called hijacking of a thread can also be viewed as a conversational enlargement & enrichment, a long-standing AF tradition of some merit. It is easy to scroll past entries which are irrelevant to one's interest.

    cheers! Peter
    I agree Peter. No normal conversation with a group of people continues with the same theme. It may start with the weather then what is the latest with your kids because their football match was rained out, and then move some where else. One subject leads to the next. I scroll on if a thread moves in a direction that doesn't interest me but usually they continue to do so even through a development into a variation of the main subject occurs. Obviously a major change should be a new thread but a slow development in the same vein is acceptable to me.
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    I for one have appreciated the thread deviation! I now think Iíll just get some new non-retractable belts.

    Safer, but mainly saves me drilling new holes/reupholstering my doorcards!
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