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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    The starter motor issue would be the starter shorting out to the left chassis rail as they run pretty close when installed into an R12. The starter will be a Paris Rhone of some description.
    That's interesting. I thought they were using Bosch by then, a bit bigger and less convenient. Maybe it was only a replacement option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    That's interesting. I thought they were using Bosch by then, a bit bigger and less convenient. Maybe it was only a replacement option.
    The very early R12's used a Bosch starter motor. I think the R18 was a total import so would be full of French electrics.
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    Agreed re the R18. Haven't seen one of them for a long while.
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    Interesting!

    Well this is a 1976, however I am doubt it's the original motor.
    To my eyes, the starter looked pretty skinny compared to other starters.

    After the engine fell out, I lost the starter from the ignition switch, so ran a cable from +ve to the solenoid, and it initially turned over, but quickly started to labor. I thought at first it was compression, but the (new) battery was at full charge.

    I sent out a tweet to RACT saying I was stranded in VIC without much option, and that if I arranged a trailer to pick up the car from Devonport, and RACT covered the freight, it would be a much less costly exercise.

    I got a call from a senior 'logistics consultant' who advised, if I can get the car freighted for less than $1400 (the cost to tow it to Hobart) and took responsibility for the TAS leg, he'd reimburse me.

    Apparently the reason they won't get involved in the ferry, is that accidents happen, and the risk is too high.
    So I'm doing a bit of calling around about backloads.

    He did suggest throwing a few hundred bucks at it to get it on and off the boat (to drive) but being that I'd have to fly back, book a boat and still a good chance of breaking down in TAS, he seemed to favor the freight option, and me taking responsibility for the tow.

    I think that is pretty reasonable! I have a contact from a friend to a furniture transport company in Devonport that regularly does backloads. Time isn't really an issue except the car will need somewhere to park it in the meantime.

    So have a bit of calling around.. it's still an option for me to just fix it and drive it, but the time it will take cost me money I can't be working, plus the airfares, boat etc.. Much less money out of my pocket at the end of the day just trailering it down. $150-$200 in fuel, $80 for the trailer for 24 hours.

    I've already spent $350 in forfeited Ferry fares, and $100 in 2 permits.

    For RACT to handle the car (tow to the ferry) it will need to have a permit on it also.

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    Given you have a R18 box, I am not sure I understand what 'box mounts you have. Did you change to the 395 mounts or did you mickeymouse the original 12 bracket and used the 352 mounts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    Given you have a R18 box, I am not sure I understand what 'box mounts you have. Did you change to the 395 mounts or did you mickeymouse the original 12 bracket and used the 352 mounts?


    I didn't do the work, David C did I believe.

    Just for interest I'll take some photos tomorrow, the car is at the local mechanics where they assessed it was a major failure.

    The mount that failed was on the left, under the cross member / steering rack.. and not at the rear of the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post


    I didn't do the work, David C did I believe.

    Just for interest I'll take some photos tomorrow, the car is at the local mechanics where they assessed it was a major failure.

    The mount that failed was on the left, under the cross member / steering rack.. and not at the rear of the box.
    It has the Renault R18 mounts fitted by the sounds of it. These come off the side of the gearbox.
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    OK, now I get ya..

    I don't have much experience with R12s, but yes the mounts are off the side of the box, not the rear.
    And so I also assume that both went together, or one was already gone or marginal to begin with.

    I drove that car into storage about 10 years ago, so its no wonder rubbers have gone off.

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    The 18 mounts wouldn't fit in a 12 chassis because the 18 chassis is much wider. Serious surgery needed.

    The 12G/17G/TS used a completely different system of mounts (again, more complexity) but I guess it could be found around when some unlucky 17TS/G was scrapped. Downside is it uses rubbers which are bespoke, you can't just throw in some R12 buffers. If that is the case and you have 17G mounts, you're stuffed. They come from overseas and are expensive.

    The easy way out is to mickeymouse a R12 bracket and use R12 mounts hence my question above.

    I guess it pays to know what has been done to the car even if you are not working on it yourself at the very least so you know what you need and have more than one person you can talk to when you need something.
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    But still, any exhaust shop should be able to weld and cut a tube at an agreeable length to make a mount surely.

    This poor wagon. It just wants to go home
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    I actually had a sleeve made up at 'Performance Exhausts' in Bayswater (lovely owners) who made me one up in an hour after cursing the metric downpipe measurements I gave him. That and some muffler putty, and 2 clamps for $15.

    But as mentioned before, the moment I do any work on the car RACT will close the 'breakdown' job.

    That said, its still very tempting to get the car running to drive on and off the boat.
    That WAS the original plan.

    I booked a flight back to TAS on the 24th with the family.

    The other issue at the moment is that there is only 1 Spirit of Tas ferry running, the other is in dry dock for repairs... so prices are high and booking ahead a month or so is needed.

    So I've "missed the boat" so to speak (twice) and would need to come back to recover it.

    I have 2 more cars to recover later in the year, a Fuego and my 1969 R16 that is now missing all its windows.

    It was going to be the path of least resistance, I chose the R12 over the Fuego for simplicity's sake, forgetting it's an R12 frankenstein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    A wagon in Victoria.. howmuchyouwnatforit

    Annoying battle you have been having, total win re the airport parking!
    Hey Bowie, I do know of a wagon going in Geelong that is facing an untimely demise if you are interested?
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    Ah yes, a "Frankentwelve". There was a green 12 wagon in Perth years ago with 16TS engine and a 5-speeder I think. Last seen very rusty but it may be in a shed somewhere. It had cut and shortened and rewelded driveshafts I think. Dark green.
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    Hi Guys,

    Since I've had so much interest and help rescuing my 'frankentwelve' I thought I'd post an update.

    I'm due to fly home 8:30AM tomorrow morning (4:30 taxi to the station, and an ass about everywhere bus trip on the 901 Airport bus.)

    RACT wouldn't get involved in 3rd party moving, but if I claim responsibility for getting it home once in TAS they will reimburse me up to $1400.

    Well I found a 1 man show car carrier this afternoon who will move the car from onto the Spirit of Tas -> Hobart for $1100 + $150 Wantirna -> the Spirit of Tas.

    I'm royally chuffed. Minutes after I spoke with him and booked it in (it will leave next Monday) I got a call from 'all car carriers' who said they could also do it for $1200 to Launceston.

    I mentioned I'd like to give the mechanics looking after my ugly car (only a mother could love) some beers, and the driver then offered to buy and deliver it to them!

    I have to mention his name, because he comes highly recommended, and a lovely bloke, and most places haven't even bothered returning my calls..
    1. because it has personal belongings in it,
    2. because it's more than 30 years old and
    3. because it's not driving.

    Mark Andrews Transport Stretch Car Freighters

    So that should bring this saga to an end, I've just finished tying a queen mattress to the roof, and re-packing the car so the spare windscreen (Ian from Geelong gave me) won't get damaged, and there is a clear view out of all the windows.

    So all I have to do is pick it up from Hobart with a car trailer which is about a 100km round trip.
    Much nicer than the 700km+ round trip it could have been from northern Tas.

    1 down, 2 to go.. I was going to try and drive my 1969 R16TS on, but with all but the quarter and drivers window smashed out, I'm up for some 'fun' jobs to replace them.

    I have that and a Fuego that drives, It also copped the rear hatch smashed, but I do have a spare luckily (or did, it's not a spare anymore)

    Thank you all who imparted their wisdom, I will post when I have picked it up and it's back with it's friends.

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    Thank goodness for small mercies! So glad of that. What a bugger of a thing to happen.

    We once had nearly all the CX windows smashed when parked under a street light in Fremantle while we took OS visitors for a meal. It's messy to sort out but I had good contacts for glass at least. Broken glass in door lock mechanisms is the hidden problem.
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    thanks John, and YES so glad to be home in quiet Tasmania

    I am thinking the next trip will involve some more planning to reduce the stress levels next time.

    I will leave the brand new battery in Melbourne (that is still in the 'frankentwelve') and put it in one of the remaining (R16 and Fuego) take them together with another driver.

    If anyone is interested in a paid ferry trip to TAS, towards the end of the year as my 'hired driver' for the Fuego...
    I could follow in the 16 and convoy, and booked early plane fares back to Melbourne are cheeeap.

    Don't want to sound like an advert, RAC(T) Ultimate cover follows YOU around be it driver OR passenger which is pretty impressive.. *wink* *wink* if you get my drift.

    When my eldest child are of driving age (approaching way too quickly) and partner has her licence (her motivation is now to have hers before our daughter's) I'll put them both on it.


    I didn't finish building frames for my 'container cars' but I did suspend the R8 and buy all the timber.
    So I will be revisiting VIC a few more times (soon) anyway to avoid any future vandalism.

    Further discussions with the owner pointed to a tenant kicked out because of his violent outbursts and ice use.
    He did quite a bit of damage to the shared house on the same block I have had my cars stored at for over 15 years (undamaged until this year)

    But each trip I secure more of my valuables into the container.
    I have calculated down to the cm 6 renauls to fit into the 40ft high cube, with rubber and timber between them, and tethered to the internal container 'hooks'.

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    the 'frankentwelve' is finally home, and the RACT Ultimate cover has fully reimbursed me the cost of transport within 48 hours!

    Total bill was $1300 including from Wantirna (mechanic) to the docks in Williamstown, then on the ferry and then I picked up in Hobart. Much easier than doing a 700km round trip!

    Car came on a x6 car carrier, he pays $7k for each trip across.

    Soooo many water damaged vehicles making a return trip to Tasmania from the Hobart floods, via Melbourne auction houses. They used a (written off) new mini to pull my car off the carrier. These cars 'touched' the black water (with their wheels) so are all to be parted out (or reborn!)

    (Stretch) Mark Andrews car carriers were awesome, highly recommend them.

    Thanks again for all the froggers that assisted.

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