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    Gee Geckeng is a clever old bathplug...

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    I was going thru the usual hassles re putting an R16 engine into an R12. Says Gecko, "Just use the R16 engine mounts and weld in the carriers from a donor"

    "Good idea", says I. (Thinking I woulda thought of it myself, except I wouldn't)

    Is anyone wrecking an R16 and willing to cut the carriers off the chassis rails, for me?

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    Albeit an irreversible engine swap.

    Is it really that hard to fabricate some adapter brackets ?

    My preference is not cut, hack and weld to historic cars unless it is an action of last resort.
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    You havent met this car...

    Had some rough encounters in its past that won't be undone.
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    Too late, I was trying to sell a very straight, rust free rolling shell I needed a gearbox and engine from. It had a tow bar and roof rack but after two years and no interest it went to the crusher.

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    Isn't that always the way!
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    Mr. P,
    The brown spares car still has all chassis in place.

    Will take pics tomorrow and email. You can say where you want cuts.

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    I have been there and done that, not straight forward. Better to use an R15/17 block and brackets as they just bolt straight in. Even use the same engine mount. Or a 16 TX block if you can find one.

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    Hi Ray

    This R16 that you are about to cut into? would it have its front disc brake caliper brackets by any chance, if so how much for them + posted to the post code of 7253.
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    I just wonder how the different mounting points may change the dynamics of the car, the weight variation on the gearbox mounts, under acceleration etc. There must have been a reason for Renault to change the block casting between the 16 and 15/17......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I just wonder how the different mounting points may change the dynamics of the car, the weight variation on the gearbox mounts, under acceleration etc. There must have been a reason for Renault to change the block casting between the 16 and 15/17......
    Engine pointing the other way around?
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    Just to re-cap the journey so far: I searched high and low to find an R17 block and I couldn't find one!!!

    I've managed to collect:


    • An R12 that used to house and automatic
    • 2 X 5 speed boxes,
    • a set of gearbox mounts,
    • three R16 engines in various states of distress
    • Theres a set of R 17 TL brakes if I want to go that far
    • Driveshafts
    • An R17 exhaust system
    • Hoses
    • Alternators
    • A set of 16TL pistons
    • gaskets, and so on...


    It would be my preference to use an R17 block but as of right now I just can't get one!

    So yes the path I'll be going down is to use an R16 engine.

    Simon, that had occured to me. There was a chap I met in Canberra who raced a 4CV in speedway many, many moons ago. He said the problem he had using an R16 motor and using the R16 mounts was that he cracked bell housings. Its something I'm aware of so I may wind up manufacturing some mounts on the engine side that may carry the weight a little better.

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    You know you can also use a R18 block. Perhaps more difficult to find than a R17 block, though.

    I seem to remember I offered you the R17 engine I have but you thought it was too much.

    I'd be curious to know how much this alternative will run you in the end.

    I also have my original 17G block, but the liner seats need some attention.
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    Go grab that Clio engine from the other thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    You know you can also use a R18 block. Perhaps more difficult to find than a R17 block, though.

    I seem to remember I offered you the R17 engine I have but you thought it was too much.

    I'd be curious to know how much this alternative will run you in the end.

    I also have my original 17G block, but the liner seats need some attention.


    Yes I was tempted, Shiltzie but not knowing the state of the motor other than it could be turned by hand left me in a quandry.

    I needed a motor that wouldn't leave me stranded in the middle of the desert. I figured that I'd still want to pull any motor I acquired down and that would still cost what I've spent to date. There's been some judicious shopping and swapping so the bill has been quite modest to date (let's not count the airfare to the US, I was going anyway). I'll have a head serviced and if that's straight forward it'll cost around $300. In all I should complete the rebuild with change from a grand.

    I'm toying up whether to have the crank polished and the bottom end balanced. I'll see what else comes up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Go grab that Clio engine from the other thread
    I wouldnt know what to do with it...
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    I have had these engines balanced and apart from a small amount off the after market clutch pressure plate all of the engine bits were fine. In fact the guy doing the balancing said at the time he had never before come across a factory engine of other makes that didn't need some work.

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    Gotta upgrade brakes as well if upgrading engine as per 12G had / R17 bits

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    Don't be so stingy.
    Get hold of a 17 that is full of rust and beyond resto.
    All the bits you need are there, almost begging to be transplanted into a good R12 shell.
    Absolutely no cutting, welding or fabrication needed.
    It will cost you LESS in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    Don't be so stingy.
    Get hold of a 17 that is full of rust and beyond resto.
    All the bits you need are there, almost begging to be transplanted into a good R12 shell.
    Absolutely no cutting, welding or fabrication needed.
    It will cost you LESS in the long run.
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    See above. I've already shared the spoils of an R17 tear down, I have all the bits I need (brakes, suspension, exhaust) EXCEPT AN R17 BLOCK!
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