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    Default Late model Renault 10 side Gearbox mounts.

    Hi there fellow froggers.
    Any chance somebody out there might have a left and right hand good condition Gearbox side mounts please.
    Happy to pay, even more happy if you have one of each.
    Many thanks
    Phil

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    R8 r10 caravellle floride same mount as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong?

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    Ive got a pair Phil. I'll pm you😁

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    Thanks mate. Got the PM and answered. Phil


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    So, Phil's sorted. The question remains: 'what is the best current source of these new?' - at one point the rubber blocks on some of what was available was much too rigid & simply tore the bond to the metal plates.

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    Again my . In 2012 I did a mod on my road going G and until now the side mounts is as new. I'll stick to my theory that the top mount is the problem and it is too weak because the design is wrong for carrying the box and engine. It has to carry the weight and the side mounts has to do the side ways thrust when cornering and keep the wheels and body in position so that the tyres don't rub against the body.

    I would first do my mod and then fit new side mounts so that they can last forever. Here is more detail:
    R8/R10 Gearbox mountings modifications.

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    Hi Frans. Wow that is some mount. I see how you did it and I should be doing the same but time is my killer at the moment and I'm desperate to get more paint on BARNIE before the end of May. Just finished the 4 brakes this arvo and my body is telling me that the days of climbing around and under cars is coming to an end!!!
    Yes, must agree, mounts in shear are just asking to rip apart. I have made contact with somebody that has a couple so it will depend on what they look like if I'll use them or not.
    Thank you again for the good information you are a wizard with R8 and R8G.
    Cheers Phil


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    Again my . In 2012 I did a mod on my road going G and until now the side mounts is as new. I'll stick to my theory that the top mount is the problem and it is too weak because the design is wrong for carrying the box and engine. It has to carry the weight and the side mounts has to do the side ways thrust when cornering and keep the wheels and body in position so that the tyres don't rub against the body.

    I would first do my mod and then fit new side mounts so that they can last forever. Here is more detail:
    R8/R10 Gearbox mountings modifications.

    Frans.

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    Hi
    I got some new side mounts from Home | Parts Of France in melbourne.
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    Thanks for that Rob. Yes Ken is great in the French Car Parts business.
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    I got some new side mounts from Home | Parts Of France in melbourne.
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    Hi again Frans. I really climbed under the car today and only managed to get a small screwdriver up the cracks from underneath the mounts by about 10mm.
    My question is. Even if the entire vulcanized rubber separated from one side of the left and right Gearbox side mounts they can't fall out and because the top Gearbox mount holds the weight of the G/box and partially supports the back engine weight is this going to be a catastrophic failure while cornering?? What do you think ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans View Post
    Again my . In 2012 I did a mod on my road going G and until now the side mounts is as new. I'll stick to my theory that the top mount is the problem and it is too weak because the design is wrong for carrying the box and engine. It has to carry the weight and the side mounts has to do the side ways thrust when cornering and keep the wheels and body in position so that the tyres don't rub against the body.

    I would first do my mod and then fit new side mounts so that they can last forever. Here is more detail:
    R8/R10 Gearbox mountings modifications.

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    Phil,

    That I'm not sure of. I can only imagine the consequence will be as follows. From the axle to the tyre contact on the tar is about 6.5 inches. If you corner hard that 6.5" leverage that has the strength of the car's body trying to go side ways, will try and lift/rotate the gearbox up causing the wheels to go positive camber. Same as the car on tressles with the wheels hanging.

    With a broken side mount the rotation of the diff will be more causing the positive camber to be more than normal. But because you make the straps so short that you have almost no positive camber that will not happen as much as with standard length straps.

    This is just how I see it in my mind. If I am correct in saying so I don't know. Failure in cornering will depend on how hard you are cornering.

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    This is what I mean by lifting. The tyre and side way force has a leverage as can be seen and that tries to lift the car and succeeds in this picture. If the mounting is broken then the diff will be rotated by that leverage.



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    Hark the Herald Axles Swing.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Hark the Herald Axles Swing.....
    Except I think it’s an early spitfire....but I laughed at your witty comment nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Except I think it’s an early spitfire....but I laughed at your witty comment nonetheless.
    Still a Herald in a party frock isn't it? I wish I'd thought of it myself, but I read it, perhaps in an old Autocar? Fabulous photo.

    Similarly, I always regarded frog-eye Sprites as A30s in party frocks (Audi TT? Golf in a party frock.) With apologies to Rensprite of course.
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    Thank you Frans. What you said makes good sense and the photo says it all.
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    Spitfire but with Herald undernieth bits.

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    Collapsed left hand gear box mount.



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    I did about 3000 ks to get home like it, but it got very noisy in the cabin over 80 kph. The reason for the collapse of a near new mount was a stuffed centre mount

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    Hard work for the UJ I guess, but they are robust items....
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    Thanks Sunroof. now I know exactly what to look for.
    I reckon I'll have 'BARNIE' on his wheels next week without the engine in so we'll see what we have.
    Cheers
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    I did about 3000 ks to get home like it, but it got very noisy in the cabin over 80 kph. The reason for the collapse of a near new mount was a stuffed centre mount

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    Quote Originally Posted by R8philSA View Post
    Thanks Sunroof. now I know exactly what to look for.
    I reckon I'll have 'BARNIE' on his wheels next week without the engine in so we'll see what we have.
    Cheers
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    I think we need some pics Phil
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    Have you seen my Web Page ?? Phil's R8 Restoration Project

    I did manage to sit BARNIE on his wheels this arvo, but still heaps to do. I'll try for a couple more pics soon. Spent a few hours under the car today and the old human body is aching!!!

    Cheers Phil

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    38 years ago , wow , is it that long ! I was building a hot R10 and apart from spacing the standard centre mount to achieve some negative camber , l fabricated new mounting points for my substitute for the side thrust pads ( mounts ) l used 2 centre gearbox mounts from a (wait for it) Holden . These are tightly caged and lasted the next 20 years without deterioration and tightened up the handling no end . Back then , my R10 would see of a bathurst GTRXU1 around Winton circuit .
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