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    Hi all,
    I just wanted to know if 4,500 is a good price to pay for a 2002 Clio sport 172 P2, it's in pretty great condition, iceberg silver, nothing aftermarket done. 100,000kms done.
    Thanks guys any advice is appreciated.

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    Timing belt, brakes, tyres ..even radiator replacements can all add to the cost once you buy it.
    "Pretty good condition" is too vague a description to give any definitive advice on price.

    If you are serious about knowing what may lie ahead, get a pre purchase inspection at somewhere like Colliers or Renault tech.
    Maybe the car has been serviced at these places already???


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    What you will need to ascertain is which side of the expense curve the car is on. Brakes will require the pads and discs to be replaced at the same time, a timing belt change (every 4 years OR 100,000km, whichever comes first, without fail) involves replacing the water pump, timing belt idler pulleys (which are the bits that go), tensioners, harmonic balancer and accessory belt – the timing belt job is a circa $1.5K job, only for the talented, even dealers have come a cropper.

    They also are now old cars, so suffer from old car problems, seized A/C compressors, duff alternators, and occasional hydro assist power steering issues – factor in delayed maintenance with things like coolant and aluminium radiators, "filled for life" transmissions etc, and any low odo reading is just a number in the absence of decent servicing.

    Then there are the other generic old car things, interior trim deterioration, external plastics deterioration, hazed head lights and rubber things like driveshaft boots which happen to any car regardless of marque.

    I'd say they are cars which you would prefer to take to someone who knows what they are, rather than a generic service outlet – so you want to be close to that specialist if you are not going to DIY.

    As Jo says, it doesn't take a lot to turn a $4.5K Clio into an $8K Clio if there has been delayed maintenance.
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    I'm an idiot and was able to change the belt myself - Depends how dirty you want to get. It's a easy process, just take your time.

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    The timing belt was done 20,000 kms ago. New yokohama tyres are on it. New exhaust mount. Not sure about radiator or brakes. They look fine though. Went for test drive, brakes felt good. No weird noise from radiator. Air con works perfectly fine. Mechanically he said its great no issues. The test drive felt fine didnt seem to have any mechanical issues. Downsides about it are, there are some paint scuffs around the body. The wheels have okay gutter rash. the drivers seat has a little (5cm) rip, but owner said $40 to fix he got quoted for it. Hes owned numerous clio sports before so yeah. Hope that helps u guys help me out. Cheers

    p.s. Owner has taken the clio to autosport engineering, the past few services.
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    Also, Colliers is about a 20 minute drive so i'd be taking it there for servicing.

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    If paint scuffs are a worry, walk away. At least those are easy to spot and know how bad they are.That said. I would be curious what car has no paint scuffs in Sydney if it doesn't live in a garage?

    Mechanical bits are not that straightforward to assess. The fact that the owner has had a number of these cars might be indicative of usage hence give you some idea if the car has been driven hard, in which case good maintenance is a must. Have a chat with the guys who serviced the car if possible and see what has been done and how regularly.

    Beyond that, if the car drives well and everything works as it should, I don't think you can ask for much more at that price point.
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    Thanks for your help guys, I really appreciate it.

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    I bought my 2002 model 3 years ago specifically to do Graham Wallis's State Bank Rerun Trial; 3000 km around South Australia's backroads. I paid $2500 with 3 months rego remaining, and it had 211,000 km on it, overdue for a cambelt change, straight but untidy, but drove really well. I prepped the car myself including cambelt, waterpump, engine mounts, discs and pads, Koni yellow front struts, a substantial sump shield and full length 3 mm plastic undertray. Kumho 185-65/15 rally rubber added a little ride height. We finished the event despite smashing bonnet, windscreen and roof (caused by an inadequate bonnet safety catch) and numerous unexpected big hits to the underside, nothing failed and was a pure pleasure to drive on the gravel (once the ABS fuse was pulled, deadly if it wasn't). It has since done four more multi day rallies, after raising the suspension 30mm, without major problems. Smaller ones were splitting both drive shaft boots on a tarmac special stage, having the heater flap spline split giving full heat with the a/c on, the lower control arm bolts work loose, the head liner fell down (now stapled), both standard rear shocks finally leaked, a steering rod unscrewed itself from the rack, the speedo sensor has become erratic and the rear muffler broke off twice in different places. On balance the 172 is a wonderful and rewarding car, but can be expensive if you have others look after it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monteman View Post
    I bought my 2002 model 3 years ago specifically to do Graham Wallis's State Bank Rerun Trial; 3000 km around South Australia's backroads...
    Something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpre3650 View Post
    Hi all,
    I just wanted to know if 4,500 is a good price to pay for a 2002 Clio sport 172 P2, it's in pretty great condition, iceberg silver, nothing aftermarket done. 100,000kms done.
    Thanks guys any advice is appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Timing belt, brakes, tyres ..even radiator replacements can all add to the cost once you buy it.
    "Pretty good condition" is too vague a description to give any definitive advice on price.

    If you are serious about knowing what may lie ahead, get a pre purchase inspection at somewhere like Colliers or Renault tech.
    Maybe the car has been serviced at these places already???
    These little cars are awesome.

    By far the biggest maintenance cost is the engine belts, budget around $1,500 for the cam belt (might get it cheaper) they are due every 4 years or 100,000 km BUT the aux belt is due 3 years or 60,000 km. Expect about $700 for the aux belt. Part of the high cost for belts is the work required to change them, there is very little room for access around the engine.

    The importance of the engine belt on the Clio 172/182 is if the timing gets out of sync the pistons hit the valves and cause an enormous amount of damage (on many other cars a broken belt just means the engine stops). Only ever get the car serviced by a Renault specialist workshop, particularly for the engine belts, because doing it wrong can cause expensive problems. The two workshops mentioned by Jo are good and I've used both personally.

    About the only other thing is oil changes, it should be done every 6 months or 10,000 km.

    Compared to the belts, the brakes and everything else is reasonably cheap.

    For $4,500 I'd expect a car with 2 or 3 years left on the engine belt (budget an aux belt change) and maybe 6 months left in the front brakes disks and pads. If the belts need doing then haggle down to $4,000 or $3,500 even. I purchased a 172 with belts that were more than 12 months overdue I made a condition of sale that the current owner had to get the car to the workshop for the belt change, and if the belts broke on the way the deal was off!

    Oh and tyres: these are exceptionally well handling cars and are extremely sensitive to tyre quality. If they have cheap tyres on them budget for something good like Michelin PS3s which in the stock size of 195/50/R15 are not expensive.

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    Yes Vaughanb, a bit like Guy Tyler's car in the photos, but not anywhere near as developed and without the roll-cage. I am grateful to Guy for his tips on potential weak points, in particular the essential mod to the gear linkage ball-joint where it enters the underside of the gearbox, to stop it popping out on yumps. A full report on my Clio's adventure through SA appeared in the Historic rally Associations magazine Vol 23 no 6 IIRC>

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    Re the cam-belt change once about $140 is invested in the camchaft locking kit the job is fiddly but straightforward. Patience, cleanliness and meticulous adherence to the crankshaft bolt assembly procedure is essential. The previous so called professional replacement had resulted in a piece being broken out of the plastic cover and the two hard to reach screws not replaced. The alloy arm which locates the powerful tensioning spring for the accessories belt had been partly broken, making the 1/2" (?) square hole useless (critical to enable insertion of an extension bar to decompress the spring). A 30mm hole had then been bored through the panel above the chassis rail to allow a 80cm tyre lever to do that job. Of course even that was bungled as they crushed the belt in the process of reassembly.

    A further tip, if you are proposing to replace the water-pump at the same time (as is wise), first check there is at least 26mm clearance from the end of the pump to the chassis rail, as the impeller section goes 25mm into the engine block. Mine had 23mm only and defied removal, thus all other engine mounts needed to be undone to allow the engine to be wedged over a little. Oh yes, check that the replacement pump has all of its 6mm holes threaded as per the old one; mine didn't and it was a bastard to do in situ.

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