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    A close friend from high school days has got the Dauphine bug again and we're chasing a 1093 in California. But we've also been researching 1093s throughout North America with a view to trying to find traces of them all, whether extant or scrapped. Plus we're interested in the history.

    So according to French sources, of the 2140 cars made in 1961-63, there were 62 of these cars imported to Canada and the USA; 39 to the USA and 23 to Canada. We are trying to compile a list of all known cars from racing records and other sources. For the vast majority of these, the VIN is not known. We do have one so far and hope for more...

    We've contacted several former owners, and just tonight in the Vancouver area we got in touch with an old fellow who owned a 1093 in British Columbia in 1962/63. We're going to meet up with him in a week and hope that he has some good stories for us, maybe a photo or two and perhaps some leads on what became of his car. So meanwhile, here are a few photos from back in the day....or more recent times.....


    Dennis Koelmel, a well-known American rallyman, campaigned a 1093 in 1962 and 1963 - this photo is from 1963, courtesy of Dennis. The car's fate is unknown so far.

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    Bill Kane was a well-known racer from Schenectady NY and a Lotus dealer. Here he is in 1964 at the Sebring race. This car was probably scrapped in the 1970s.


    This car may have been campaigned on the west coast at places like Riverside or perhaps in rallies. The car was discovered in California in its well weathered state, bought and repatriated to France, where it was stolen, and so far has not reappeared. VIN: 65781 / Body no. 963


    This 1093 is still sitting in California. We are in touch with the owner and hoping to get more history, the VIN and an opportunity to buy it.

    There are some more leads we are working on and I will update this thread as things develop.
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    The Henney Killowatts (DC converted cars built in America) were 1959-60 Dauphines. Do they fall into your category? There were just under 50 of them.

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    Very interesting and thanks for the posting!

    I had to have a cup of tea and a rest after reading of the one stolen in France.... Stolen!! Good grief.
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    All the best in the search! And it is always great to see period pics of the cars, especially showing off the unique finned drum.

    I'm thinking the 1093 is the first production car to feature "racing stripes" as a standard feature. I'm surprised not more of them were sold in Canada especially, perhaps they didn't appreciate the sole colour choice of American racing colours. :-)
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    They should have painted them in French blue with fleur-de-lis and sold them in Quebec and New Brunswick provinces. The only Renault I've seen in North America was a 5 in Quebec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Only19 View Post
    The Henney Killowatts (DC converted cars built in America) were 1959-60 Dauphines. Do they fall into your category? There were just under 50 of them.

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    Absolutely not. The 1093 was a rally special with 55 HP SAE out of the 845cc engine, reinforced bodyshell, stiffer suspension, better brakes, mechanically driven tachometer, .....

    The Henney Kilowatt was usually a 1090, formerly 32 HP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post
    Absolutely not. The 1093 was a rally special with 55 HP SAE out of the 845cc engine, reinforced bodyshell, stiffer suspension, better brakes, mechanically driven tachometer, .....

    The Henney Kilowatt was usually a 1090, formerly 32 HP.
    Interesting; I always thought that they had the 903cc larger bore engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    Interesting; I always thought that they had the 903cc larger bore engines.
    On that subject, you should experience Frank Wicks' car in 2019! I've driven two 903 cars now, and it gives a quite significant power boost.
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    With the 904 cc kit, a 1093 should be more like 58 HP! But none came that way from the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post
    With the 904 cc kit, a 1093 should be more like 58 HP! But none came that way from the factory.
    Yep, 904cc :-(

    I must say that John's comments about a noticeable difference surprised me. I couldn't see even 5bhp in it from an extra 50cc.

    I have recommended to one fellow frogger not to fuss with the 904 kit as the bespokeness of things like head gaskets would need a more powerful counterbalancing argument than a few bhp.

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    I NOTE THAT THESE HAD A 4 SPEED ,NO DOUBT THE GORDINI BOX AND SOME RAN AT LE MANS WITH A 5 SPEED ,POSSIBLY THE CLAUDE DOG CLUTCH BOX AS USED IN SOME 4CVs ,my first 4cv was bored to something like 900cc ,the fitting of the 4 speed made a huge difference to performance ,pugs
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    R1093 in USA and Canada.

    This is an interesting subject
    Some information on this web page :

    http://www.dauphine1093.fr/Acceuil/Competition/Html/Usa.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1093 View Post
    R1093 in USA and Canada. This is an interesting subject
    Some information on this web page :

    http://www.dauphine1093.fr/Acceuil/Competition/Html/Usa.html

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    A big welcome to Aussiefrogs! Thank you for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugwash View Post
    I NOTE THAT THESE HAD A 4 SPEED ,NO DOUBT THE GORDINI BOX AND SOME RAN AT LE MANS WITH A 5 SPEED ,POSSIBLY THE CLAUDE DOG CLUTCH BOX AS USED IN SOME 4CVs ,my first 4cv was bored to something like 900cc ,the fitting of the 4 speed made a huge difference to performance ,pugs
    Here's where to buy a Fapram 4-speed .....
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