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    Dear All

    Hoping that somebody knows the answer to this one ( or knows where I can find it )

    I have a 'barn find' 4CV, with 23000 miles up and not used on road since '69. Am currently "unstoring" it , as restoration would change Reg to something he ain't - perfectly polished, 2 Pack coated museum piece

    The paint has seen better days, but much of it will be amenable to cutting back and touching up, although there are a couple of bits where I'll have to go through to the metal. Would rather do it this way than strip it all back if possible, as goal is to stay as close to original appearance as possible ( some hidden mods underneath ). My body guru sez that acrylic paint is quite forgiving and that he should be able to blend bits in if able to use acrylic, while paying attention to exact level of sheen/gloss attained.

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    The ability to do this all depends upon the compatibility between the new bits on top and the under layers and the ability to stop it all bleeding through once activated by the thinners etc .

    Does anybody out there know what type of paints were used for the 4CV when made /assembled in Heidelberg in 1960? This would give us a valuable starting point in plotting the campaign. My body guru is a 240Z specialist whom I have lured over to the light, so knows mostly of Japanese techniques and chemistry of the 60s and 70s.

    Car is that light green that was relatively common with the 4CV. Not planning colour change obviously ( pity, as I hate the colour . Just have to hope that it grows on me, even if it is an appropriate colour for a frog )

    Would be grateful for any advice

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    Honestly...go the whole hog and rub it down completely and give it a full repaint....in a 4CV colour more amenable to your taste
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    The early Clyde Industries cars appear to have been painted with Berger acrylic enamel. One other thought is to use Ankor Wax, effectively a wax coating over the whole car, that gives it a degree of shine and preserves the "patina" of any polished though surfaces.
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    I agree with "nauli", if you are going to paint do a decent job with acrylic in the colour you want. Patching up the paint is good for the first year, and then it will start looking like a dog's breakfast. And you won't like the car. Make it what you want and you will always enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    I agree with "nauli", if you are going to paint do a decent job with acrylic in the colour you want. Patching up the paint is good for the first year, and then it will start looking like a dog's breakfast. And you won't like the car. Make it what you want and you will always enjoy it.

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    I have a horrible feeling that you are right, especially as any paint job is 9.5 tenths preparation / what's underneath.

    Problem with this is that one loses the 'patina' effect, unless clever sprayer invests lotsa effort in reproducing it ( Rob is clever )

    Final decision may turn on when I get him out into the full light of day - currently up on hoist in garage getting underpinnings sorted out for RWC

    I may end up taking the outside pretty much right back, to ensure stable base, and then working forward from there, while leaving interior ( which is very good for the years ) as original

    Simon's information about the chemistry to anticipate is also very useful.

    Many thanks to all


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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    I agree with "nauli", if you are going to paint do a decent job with acrylic in the colour you want. Patching up the paint is good for the first year, and then it will start looking like a dog's breakfast. And you won't like the car. Make it what you want and you will always enjoy it.

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    If it is that "mushy pea green", sure, probably not a colour you would pick on a new car. But its rare to see even one panel of original paint on any old car, let alone a 60 year old Renault. That's why I like the waxed option :-)

    There are probably just enough other 750 shells out there for people to paint any colour they like :-)
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    It is the 'mushy peas' colour, which is to aesthetics what mushy peas are to cuisine ( at least as used in Brit cuisine. )

    The Frogs must have liked it though - the 4CV in the French National Museum at Mulhouse is that colour

    I may end up dithering for a while, as initial plan is to drive car pretty much 'as is' ( except for quick rack and seat belts ) to learn his vices and to decide whether I want to change nothing / a bit / a lot in V2.0 ( or buy another shell and use accumulated bits to build a missile for which I don't have to agonise over originality )

    Colour may grow on me. If nothing else it will stand out in a crowd. I survived driving a merde coloured 404 for 25 years.

    Thanks again

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    There's no correct answer, is there!

    When we finally had our 4CV painted, it was indeed a dog's breakfast (see bonnet photos!) although far from being the original paint or original colour. A majority of stakeholders settled on the blue it has, similar to the blue it had been since 1966. On balance, I'm glad we did it. It's two pack but with a lot of flattener to reduce the gloss to something like a 1950s 'Duco' finish.

    I use the car as much as the concessional licensing allows and accept it will be damaged from time to time. So, it's not become a cossetted museum piece.

    Ours was not remotely original in paintwork in the sense that yours is when I bought it, although it is essentially unmodified (except for brakes) and never 'restored' but maintained. The R8 is the same, finally painted its original colour but used, and it has stone chips and a scratch.....

    Simon's right about there being others out there to paint of course. Personally, I'd get the car going and registered and use it for a while before making a decision you can't reverse.

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    There's a good idea here with that gloss flattener. Great one JohnW.
    Have used it. My paint supplier has a garbage bin full of it.
    It could be used with Andrews 4CV to tone down the new paint work and maybe match somewhat with the old. So not so bling.
    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    There's a good idea here with that gloss flattener. Great one JohnW.
    Have used it. My paint supplier has a garbage bin full of it.
    It could be used with Andrews 4CV to tone down the new paint work and maybe match somewhat with the old. So not so bling.
    Just a thought.
    We've a full range of opinions out there, that's for sure!
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    Thanks again for a very good discussion.

    Had heard of gloss flattener/2 Pack combination and John's certainly looks very schmick - probably roughly what I would choose were I to be starting with a clean sheet of paper.

    At some stage paint is going to have to be taken right back, but want to stabilise and drive for a while 'as is', but without attracting attention of Mr Plod, so he needs a bit of a tart -up ( Victorian Plods have a nasty habit of finding a fault - real or imagined - and declaring the car unroadworthy on the spot, which means going right back through the whole RWC disaster again )

    There is no intention to create an immaculate show piece. The driver will be about as far from being an immaculate show piece as it is possible to be, so some patination of car is wholly acceptable ( subject to need to stabilise rust ).

    Have just bought endoscope for cavities ( car's, not mine ). Looks like useful toy.

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    Hi,

    If you give me your Oval Plate Number and also the Diamond Plate Number, I may be able to give you the exact Renault 4CV colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ 750 View Post
    Hi, If you give me your Oval Plate Number and also the Diamond Plate Number, I may be able to give you the exact Renault 4CV colour. Regards David
    That's interesting David. You might have opened Pandora's Box with that offer, now we all know. I guess most 4CV's have some original paint inside the shell somewhere - mine being a deep grey.
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    Hi

    Many thanks, will be interesting and useful.

    Car has so few miles up that I doubt it has been repainted, but one never knows with second-hand cars

    Diamond plate is 3638955

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    Hi,

    If you give me your Oval Plate Number and also the Diamond Plate Number, I may be able to give you the exact Renault 4CV colour.

    Regards

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    This should give an idea of the problem - large red patch on roof is where some clown spilled paint. This has been gently rubbed back ,leaving large area of usable green, but few areas of bare metal. 'Bonnet' ( front ) also needs attention / touch up

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    Nothing wrong with that colour! A proper period colour, used on everything from the kitchen to the bathroom in that era :-)

    Love it! And don't touch the crackle black dashboard, another unique feature.
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    I remember buying an antique side table made from QLD cedar painted in this colour for twenty bucks. It was made in 1860. worth $2000. That old paint does look good though, in an antique view. I see now what you want to do, shame to loose it.
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    Hi Andrew, I think it's a no brainer, paint the car. It will always be patchy if you just do bits and will take just as long. That green looks like 'smashed avocado' very trendy. I'm using acrylic on mine. Easy to use and no ISO-cyanates to ruin lungs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Watkins View Post
    Hi

    Many thanks, will be interesting and useful.

    Car has so few miles up that I doubt it has been repainted, but one never knows with second-hand cars

    Diamond plate is 3638955

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    Hi Andrew,

    Based on your oval plate and diamond plate numbers and the information I have, your 4CV was manufactured between 06/05 1960 and 25/10/60.

    A list of the various 4CV colours and their codes is given in the attached link:

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    I do not know if you understand any French but vert means green in French, so any of those colours commencing with vert will be a green colour. Use google and search for the colour name and code to check which colour you think your car is. The 5 colours around 1960 were:
    Vert d'eau 978
    Vert tribord 956
    Vert amande 991
    Vert irlande 910
    Vert sévigné 914

    I hope this helps,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ 750 View Post
    I do not know if you understand any French but vert means green in French, so any of those colours commencing with vert will be a green colour. Use google and search for the colour name and code to check which colour you think your car is.

    The 5 colours around 1960 were:
    Vert d'eau 978
    Vert tribord 956
    Vert amande 991
    Vert irlande 910
    Vert sévigné 914
    The subject 750 is an Australian (Clyde Industries) assembled car, so those colours would be different to a full import car.
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    Dear David

    Many thanks, really useful. Mine is the "poverty pack" model and description fits for 1960 manufacture.

    Looks as if it is vert amande 991. The 4CV in National Museum in Mulhouse is this colour, so it seems that it was used in both France and Oz. Don't know what it's got to do with almonds though. Perhaps because you'd have to be nuts to choose it?

    Froggy club also has the formulae for the various colours, so I should be in business ( although our paint guy is pretty good at getting it right if given a good sample. Got the wheel colour spot-on )

    My French is slowly being resuscitated as I negotiate with various parts suppliers and read various club mags , blogs and repair manuals. Last formally studied it 48 years ago but the elements remain.

    Thanks again. The knowledge available on this site is really something.

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    Hi Andrew,

    Based on your oval plate and diamond plate numbers and the information I have, your 4CV was manufactured between 06/05 1960 and 25/10/60.

    A list of the various 4CV colours and their codes is given in the attached link:

    Nuancer

    I do not know if you understand any French but vert means green in French, so any of those colours commencing with vert will be a green colour. Use google and search for the colour name and code to check which colour you think your car is. The 5 colours around 1960 were:
    Vert d'eau 978
    Vert tribord 956
    Vert amande 991
    Vert irlande 910
    Vert sévigné 914

    I hope this helps,

    Regard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Watkins View Post
    Looks as if it is vert amande 991.
    Now I'm really intrigued! As to me it is a dinky-di Australian assembled car, now it seems to have been identified as CBU full import with proper French paint! (Which may be a nitro finish - check for the stencilled paint code, which would match the 991 code you have found).

    What have I missed as the key to it being CBU? :-)
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    It seems Oz built to me - RHD, mph speedo, tyre pressure stickers in psi and English

    Specs conform to Oz 'poverty pack' model - only gauge is fuel gauge, no ignition lock, no chrome trim around rear air intakes etc

    Where would I find the colour stencil? Did they use a standard spot?

    Car is up in the air at moment but should be off hoist next week. Shall look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Now I'm really intrigued! As to me it is a dinky-di Australian assembled car, now it seems to have been identified as CBU full import with proper French paint! (Which may be a nitro finish - check for the stencilled paint code, which would match the 991 code you have found).

    What have I missed as the key to it being CBU? :-)

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