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    Best french car?

    Let's see.

    What else do we get?

    A whole bunch of boring as batshit Peugeots, similarly exciting Citroens (okay, perhaps the DS3 is an exception) and a few Renaults, which good as they are, don't really stand out in a crowded marketplace of nice hatchbacks (start with the Fiat 500 and go up from there).

    My point is, this isn't saying much. The Alpine never had a serious battle for top spot in the french world.

    But I think the Alpine marks a more important milestone.

    In a world with very few new ideas and a lot of re-releases, Renault might have just hit the sweet spot and revived a legendary name without ruining it for ever like most re-releases.
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    Methinks you have missed the point of the "new" A110. It has not been introduced for the purpose of propelling Alpine to French car sales domination. It is not a re-released body style based on a current platform. It physically won't stand out in the sports car world as it's diminutive. What it is though, is a brand new sports coupe designed from the start to provide a driving experience unmatched by any of it's peers. That's it for the First edition. Nothing more. People that enjoy driving will buy it, those that are after WF15+ will buy something else..................
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    The headline "Best French Car?" was written by the "Drive" people ... not often does a Frenchie get that much love ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Methinks you have missed the point of the "new" A110. It has not been introduced for the purpose of propelling Alpine to French car sales domination. It is not a re-released body style based on a current platform. It physically won't stand out in the sports car world as it's diminutive. What it is though, is a brand new sports coupe designed from the start to provide a driving experience unmatched by any of it's peers. That's it for the First edition. Nothing more. People that enjoy driving will buy it, those that are after WF15+ will buy something else..................

    Also there are probably not enough zeros in the price tag for the people after those sort of bragging rights.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Methinks you have missed the point of the "new" A110. It has not been introduced for the purpose of propelling Alpine to French car sales domination. It is not a re-released body style based on a current platform. It physically won't stand out in the sports car world as it's diminutive. What it is though, is a brand new sports coupe designed from the start to provide a driving experience unmatched by any of it's peers. That's it for the First edition. Nothing more. People that enjoy driving will buy it, those that are after WF15+ will buy something else..................
    I responded to the title.

    And I think whichever way you look at it, the new Alpine is an attempt to capitalise on the fame of its predecessor, hence it will be inevitably compared to this benchmark.

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    The headline "Best French Car?" was written by the "Drive" people ... not often does a Frenchie get that much love ;-)
    I thought it was a bit more ironic that serious. They did say best FRENCH car, not best car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    I responded to the title.

    And I think whichever way you look at it, the new Alpine is an attempt to capitalise on the fame of its predecessor, hence it will be inevitably compared to this benchmark......................
    The fame of it's predecessor, such as it was, was at it's peak 44 years ago. It is a brand almost forgotten now, except by Renaultphiles and Rally aficionados from that era, some of whom might now have the where-with-all to own a new one, but might also have a great deal of difficulty with entry and egress.

    No, I figure that the former Alpine factory in Dieppe was not earning it's keep and that the new Alpine is more an attempt to add some extra bucks and kudos to the Renault-Nissan-Dacia-Lada-Samsung-Mitsubishi bottom line than an exercise in nostalgia, although the nostalgia aspect may occasionally pop into the heads of people over 60.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The fame of it's predecessor, such as it was, was at it's peak 44 years ago. It is a brand almost forgotten now, except by Renaultphiles and Rally aficionados from that era, some of whom might now have the where-with-all to own a new one, but might also have a great deal of difficulty with entry and egress.

    No, I figure that the former Alpine factory in Dieppe was not earning it's keep and that the new Alpine is more an attempt to add some extra bucks and kudos to the Renault-Nissan-Dacia-Lada-Samsung-Mitsubishi bottom line than an exercise in nostalgia, although the nostalgia aspect may occasionally pop into the heads of people over 60.....
    As for my interest in the car , it started when I had a ride during a demo run in thisAlpine A110 "Best French Car..?"-110-1600s-1974.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The fame of it's predecessor, such as it was, was at it's peak 44 years ago. It is a brand almost forgotten now, except by Renaultphiles and Rally aficionados from that era, some of whom might now have the where-with-all to own a new one, but might also have a great deal of difficulty with entry and egress.

    No, I figure that the former Alpine factory in Dieppe was not earning it's keep and that the new Alpine is more an attempt to add some extra bucks and kudos to the Renault-Nissan-Dacia-Lada-Samsung-Mitsubishi bottom line than an exercise in nostalgia, although the nostalgia aspect may occasionally pop into the heads of people over 60.....
    It may seem like that for you, but people rarely forget things like that. The new generation may not know about any of it, but then this is a chance for some to learn. The car may be little known in Oz, but in Europe it has never been too far from the public. Have a look on u tube at some random competition over there and you're bound to spot an Alpine or two competing.

    As for making money for the group, I think if that is the intention, they'll be bitterly disappointed. But I don't for a moment think that they are that daft. How much money can a sub-100k car bring that behemoth? Let's see. Let's say they sell 10 000 units at 70k $ each over 10 years for a grand total sold of 100k cars? (I feel really generous about all those numbers). That means .7 bn revenue per year, right? Well, last year their revenue was 51 bn Euro. Renault alone.

    If any of my guessed numbers turn out to be wrong (which I can guarantee they are), the revenue gets really trivial really quickly (just imagine they sell 5000 cars a year instead of 10000).

    I think for that money their efforts would be better invested in making trucks.

    Nah.

    It's just a marketing exercise like the Veyron. I wouldn't be surprised if the project actually lost them money, so if I wanted one, I would get in quick.
    It's a car they make because they want to raise the profile of the company. People lust for the sports car, they go and buy they shopping cart. What's new?



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    As for my interest in the car , it started when I had a ride during a demo run in thisClick image for larger version. 

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    What car is that? The picture looks like a bad photoshop session.

    The wheels on that Alpine look massive compared to the R12, and they shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    It may seem like that for you, but people rarely forget things like that. The new generation may not know about any of it, but then this is a chance for some to learn. The car may be little known in Oz, but in Europe it has never been too far from the public. Have a look on u tube at some random competition over there and you're bound to spot an Alpine or two competing.

    As for making money for the group, I think if that is the intention, they'll be bitterly disappointed. But I don't for a moment think that they are that daft. How much money can a sub-100k car bring that behemoth? Let's see. Let's say they sell 10 000 units at 70k $ each over 10 years for a grand total sold of 100k cars? (I feel really generous about all those numbers). That means .7 bn revenue per year, right? Well, last year their revenue was 51 bn Euro. Renault alone.

    If any of my guessed numbers turn out to be wrong (which I can guarantee they are), the revenue gets really trivial really quickly (just imagine they sell 5000 cars a year instead of 10000).

    I think for that money their efforts would be better invested in making trucks.

    Nah.

    It's just a marketing exercise like the Veyron. I wouldn't be surprised if the project actually lost them money, so if I wanted one, I would get in quick.
    It's a car they make because they want to raise the profile of the company. People lust for the sports car, they go and buy they shopping cart. What's new?





    What car is that? The picture looks like a bad photoshop session.

    The wheels on that Alpine look massive compared to the R12, and they shouldn't.
    The picture is a scan of the original I took in 1974 and it is one of the Works team cars from 1973.
    The Car went on to compete as guest at a number of local rallies namely the Forrest rally outside Canberra and won by a significant margin.
    as for the wheel size what you need to remember is how small these cars are.Alpine A110 "Best French Car..?"-800px-renault_alpine_a110_berlinette_1600_sx.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    It may seem like that for you, but people rarely forget things like that. The new generation may not know about any of it, but then this is a chance for some to learn. The car may be little known in Oz, but in Europe it has never been too far from the public. Have a look on u tube at some random competition over there and you're bound to spot an Alpine or two competing.

    As for making money for the group, I think if that is the intention, they'll be bitterly disappointed. But I don't for a moment think that they are that daft. How much money can a sub-100k car bring that behemoth? Let's see. Let's say they sell 10 000 units at 70k $ each over 10 years for a grand total sold of 100k cars? (I feel really generous about all those numbers). That means .7 bn revenue per year, right? Well, last year their revenue was 51 bn Euro. Renault alone.

    If any of my guessed numbers turn out to be wrong (which I can guarantee they are), the revenue gets really trivial really quickly (just imagine they sell 5000 cars a year instead of 10000).

    I think for that money their efforts would be better invested in making trucks.

    Nah.

    It's just a marketing exercise like the Veyron. I wouldn't be surprised if the project actually lost them money, so if I wanted one, I would get in quick.
    It's a car they make because they want to raise the profile of the company. People lust for the sports car, they go and buy they shopping cart. What's new?





    What car is that? The picture looks like a bad photoshop session.

    The wheels on that Alpine look massive compared to the R12, and they shouldn't.

    I don't care what their reasons are for doing it ,i'm just glad that they have done it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AU-YT View Post
    The picture is a scan of the original I took in 1974 and it is one of the Works team cars from 1973.
    The Car went on to compete as guest at a number of local rallies namely the Forrest rally outside Canberra and won by a significant margin.
    as for the wheel size what you need to remember is how small these cars are.Click image for larger version. 

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    I know how small the car is, hence my comparison against the R12 wheel, not the car itself. But I was going to comment even the car looks a bit out of proportion with the R12 behind it. Granted, we don't know how the picture was taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 27of85 View Post
    I don't care what their reasons are for doing it ,i'm just glad that they have done it.
    So is everybody else, just don't make it what it isn't.
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    I took the picture with my dads camera, of which the make and lens type escapes me, the main issue is the distance the R12 is behind the A110. and remember the Alpine on tall rally tires and raised suspension

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    Quote Originally Posted by AU-YT View Post
    I took the picture with my dads camera, of which the make and lens type escapes me, the main issue is the distance the R12 is behind the A110. and remember the Alpine on tall rally tires and raised suspension

    I was wondering about the size of those tyres, because in all the period photos you see the Alpines with those oversized tyres that make it look a bit like it's wearing granddad's slippers. Do you happen to remember the size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    I was wondering about the size of those tyres, because in all the period photos you see the Alpines with those oversized tyres that make it look a bit like it's wearing granddad's slippers. Do you happen to remember the size?
    Sadly no it it didn’t enter into my head and at 18 years old I was to besotted with just the car to notice tyre sizes.
    If you take a std R8 tyre of 135 80 15 v a 13” tyre it would be 165 80 13 which looks about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    I was wondering about the size of those tyres, because in all the period photos you see the Alpines with those oversized tyres that make it look a bit like it's wearing granddad's slippers. Do you happen to remember the size?
    The wheel size would be 13"....given that they look like Gotti Bi Metal rims....the tyres certainly look rather high profile...
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    Put the sizes in this calculator and you will get a visualisation of the comparison 135 80 15 V 165 80 13
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