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    Quote Originally Posted by nauli View Post
    Definitely not right!! Looks like some refurbing required there John!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    Thanks Simon. I think I might go with a rebuild. Your Brake Parts Specialist | Perth Brake Parts
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    Shame it had to happen before Easter.
    I was looking forward to taking a crew to our local Dwellingup Pumpkin Festival in the orange 17.
    Here are my new best friends, hose-wise....

    Grey haired folk behind the counter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    Taken out the master cylinder and booster today. No sign of leakage through back of the cylinder or the front of the booster.
    But there was something leaking inside the car from the booster. Only a few drops though and it is brake fluid because a little was on my floor mat and it has stripped a little paint off the back of the foot brake arm.
    When I took these photos I tilted the booster on it's front and fluid came out. That's not right, is it?
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    I'm guessing the brake fluid thats in the booster is from a previous master cylinder leaking seal problem.

    I would be cleaning the inside of the booster by putting some methylated spirits in side and giving it a good shake and tip it out. Repeat until clean methylated spirits comes out, them put booster in the sun to dry out.
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    Thanks JohnW. I know of the new parts out there. But Perth Brake parts can check the booster and master. So as you said go there and you know it will fit later, with warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    I'm guessing the brake fluid thats in the booster is from a previous master cylinder leaking seal problem.

    I would be cleaning the inside of the booster by putting some methylated spirits in side and giving it a good shake and tip it out. Repeat until clean methylated spirits comes out, them put booster in the sun to dry out.


    I'll do that tomorrow Col Great advice. But still have it tested including the vacuum valve.
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    All refurbished. Could have flown to Sydney return for the same money. Now to throw it all back in and bleadAnother R17 owner planning to upgrade-1522990108166.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    Could have flown to Sydney return for the same money.
    Peace of mind; priceless.

    Is the rear flexi hose from the limiter to the rear axle being replaced as well? It would likely be getting on a bit now, and would be worth replacing whilst everything else is apart if it hasn't already been done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Peace of mind; priceless.

    Is the rear flexi hose from the limiter to the rear axle being replaced as well? It would likely be getting on a bit now, and would be worth replacing whilst everything else is apart if it hasn't already been done.
    While under there I would also check the proportioning valve, they are prone to leaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Is the rear flexi hose from the limiter to the rear axle being replaced as well? It would likely be getting on a bit now, and would be worth replacing whilst everything else is apart if it hasn't already been done.
    This hose is the same size/fitting as the front brake hoses from memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Peace of mind; priceless.

    Is the rear flexi hose from the limiter to the rear axle being replaced as well? It would likely be getting on a bit now, and would be worth replacing whilst everything else is apart if it hasn't already been done.


    I couldn't remove it. Threads are seized. I will spray with penetrant first.
    I might buy a new proportioning valve and do that job later. Best be ready.
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    Spray, spray and spray again....

    I'm a great believer in getting the parts in stock to fit when the moment and motivation come together!
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    I turned up at the right time to see the engine in its beginnings of becoming a hot french donk.
    Good and bad upon discovery. Block is good. Head is really good and better than the spare one I have. Crank is not a goer as tolerances are to the max and rear main journal is knackered. But Ray is looking in his stash for a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    I turned up at the right time to see the engine in its beginnings of becoming a hot french donk.
    Good and bad upon discovery. Block is good. Head is really good and better than the spare one I have. Crank is not a goer as tolerances are to the max and rear main journal is knackered. But Ray is looking in his stash for a good one.

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    John...I dropped by and had a look at it yesterday too...and Ray showed me the crank...good thing though is that the build is off and running!!
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    agreed, and you are checking all this now. This is good (and good for us as we like these sorts of things)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    I turned up at the right time to see the engine in its beginnings of becoming a hot french donk.
    Good and bad upon discovery. Block is good. Head is really good and better than the spare one I have. Crank is not a goer as tolerances are to the max and rear main journal is knackered. But Ray is looking in his stash for a good one.
    Everyone should have a stash! I must slip over and have a look. If anyone wants a good 1951 Renault 4cv crankshaft with new white-metal conrod bearings, just shout! I doubt I'll be deafened.....
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    Back on the road doing blockies and the brakes are working. Will need to work on that proportioning valve and replace it along with the hose. Have sprayed it with Penetran a few times, thanks JohnW. It worked very well on my old ATCO cylinder mowers chain gears yesterday. I'm refurbishing the old faithful with a full sand blast and paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    Back on the road doing blockies and the brakes are working. Will need to work on that proportioning valve and replace it along with the hose. Have sprayed it with Penetran a few times, thanks JohnW. It worked very well on my old ATCO cylinder mowers chain gears yesterday. I'm refurbishing the old faithful with a full sand blast and paint.
    Good re the brakes working! People collect those old Atco mowers and pay good money for them I gather!

    Do you have a good pipe fitting spanner of the appropriate size? I'll plan to slip over to your workplace during the school holidays if you are working then, at a convenient time of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Good re the brakes working! People collect those old Atco mowers and pay good money for them I gather!

    Do you have a good pipe fitting spanner of the appropriate size? I'll plan to slip over to your workplace during the school holidays if you are working then, at a convenient time of course.

    John, you're most welcome. Mondays or Tuesdays are best
    Do you mean flared spanners? If so, yes I do. Went and bought a set as I soon as I learn't....
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    Yes, they are the spanners. I just couldn't recall the correct name.

    Tuesday 17th sounds good I think. Morning. I'll bring my grandson, who is doing some woodwork at school and needs, IMHO, to see some top end carpentry. I'll be in touch nearer the time.

    I've never tried a rattle gun with a crow's foot spanner for brakes - I'll try to remember to bring mine down to show you what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    Back on the road doing blockies and the brakes are working. Will need to work on that proportioning valve and replace it along with the hose. Have sprayed it with Penetran a few times, thanks JohnW. It worked very well on my old ATCO cylinder mowers chain gears yesterday. I'm refurbishing the old faithful with a full sand blast and paint.
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    And currently selling it on ebay too ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    And currently selling it on ebay too ?

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Atco-Vin...8AAOSwZ5hacEyh

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Yes, they are the spanners. I just couldn't recall the correct name.

    Tuesday 17th sounds good I think. Morning. I'll bring my grandson, who is doing some woodwork at school and needs, IMHO, to see some top end carpentry. I'll be in touch nearer the time.

    I've never tried a rattle gun with a crow's foot spanner for brakes - I'll try to remember to bring mine down to show you what I mean.

    Cheers

    Sounds Good John. Your grandson is most welcome to have a look at our joinery shop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoji View Post
    Caught out. No. That's not my Atco. Just a pic off google images. I'll put it back, shall I?
    It's probably best not to tell pork pies in the first place.
    I found out quite innocently, looking on ebay to discover what an Atco was worth.

    My experience was with a Qualcast drum mower in the early 60s. Possibly the most unreliable mower ever built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    It's probably best not to tell pork pies in the first place.
    I found out quite innocently, looking on ebay to discover what an Atco was worth.

    My experience was with a Qualcast drum mower in the early 60s. Possibly the most unreliable mower ever built.
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