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    Is there somebody that can confirm to me that somewhere in the manufacturing life of the R16TS Renault decided to change the shape and capacity of the R16TS sump.

    I have two different shaped sumps and I'm assured by both R16TS previous owners that they came with these sumps on.

    It's a bit of a optical illusion in the Attachment that the one on the right is larger. They are identical in base fitment but the one on the right is a different internal shape and deeper. The smaller one was the original sump used for rally work, hence the baffle half way down the middle.

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    Hi Phil

    The sump on the right is a R16 sump, the one on the left is a R15/R17 sump the someone has modified with that baffle.
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    +1 to what Col said.

    The one on the left is a 15/17 sump - also the 15/17 and 16 motors use a different oil pick-up. Either way, both hold 4 litres. Are you sure it is a 16 block? (no biggy, as the block is the main difference between 16 and 15/17)
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    As far as I know the differences between the blocks is where the engine mounts bolt on and also the liner seal area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    +1 to what Col said.

    The one on the left is a 15/17 sump - also the 15/17 and 16 motors use a different oil pick-up. Either way, both hold 4 litres. Are you sure it is a 16 block? (no biggy, as the block is the main difference between 16 and 15/17)
    Gee Simon, now you got me thinking. The block is labeled 807 - 03, been wondering why my Workshop Manual M.R.96 only lists 807-01 and 807-02 for the R1151 Type.

    Is the bore and stroke the same for both R16TS and 15/17 ??
    What is the difference between the blocks ??

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    R15 and early 17 blocks had different mount holes than the 16. But 16TX and 17TS/G engines had holes for both 15/17 and 16's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi Phil

    The sump on the right is a R16 sump, the one on the left is a R15/R17 sump the someone has modified with that baffle.
    Thanks Col. See what comes from Simon's reply. I new it had been modified but never even thought it might be from a R15/R17.

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    Hi Phil

    Here is a link to Richard Mann's description of the differences between the Renault engines available here, is a good read with lots of information.

    RICHARD MANN'S CROSS FLOW RENAULT ENGINES
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi Phil

    Here is a link to Richard Mann's description of the differences between the Renault engines available here, is a good read with lots of information.

    RICHARD MANN'S CROSS FLOW RENAULT ENGINES
    That's a great link!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    That's a great link!
    Yer it is, Richard knows his stuff. I think he is like all of us here learned the hard way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    That's a great link!
    Plus one! Fascinating stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Hi Phil

    Here is a link to Richard Mann's description of the differences between the Renault engines available here, is a good read with lots of information.

    RICHARD MANN'S CROSS FLOW RENAULT ENGINES
    Thanks Col. That's a top read. Answered all my questions.
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    That is a great thread Col thanks.

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    I donít agree with Richard Mann in using those Alfa liners to get the big capacity.
    We found that they are only just OK with a low compression Renault engine but the material is not up to the task when you get over 9:1 CR. They split the liners very easily.
    I have been using the Mecaparts high quality steel liners 86 and 87mm bore. You have to do a lot of work to the block to get the big capacity reliably. The steel quality is a quantum leap from cast liners.
    As mentioned previously the Mecaparts quality control is sometimes not up to standard. I did not have a problem with the liners being oval, mine were bell shaped - larger inside diameter in the middle which took a lot of work to fix and oversize pistons. Then three full years of hard circuit racing with no problems.

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