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    Default Carworks or Ballarat Renault - beware, see post 21

    G'day,

    been a long time since I posted in here, nothing much to say I guess....

    SWMBO has had, for a very long time, a strong Toyota relationship. She has been mentioning for some time that we really ought to get a "sensible" vehicle, the Celica not really making the grade for age pensioners - with even older parents that require occasional transport. My suggestion of a newish Mustang was flatly rejected...

    Anyway, motoring along the local car-yard-strip in Ballarat we propped outside the Renault dealer, a large yard with an impressive number and variety of vehicles. She only got to the second one inside the gate, having bypassed the gateway Merc, "what's this ?" she said, spying a pre-loved Latitude...

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    This is where it gets serious, never ever been impressed with car yard dealings, sort of in the realms of dentistry, and the salesman is approaching.....

    OK, no need for a novel, we ended up buying it..

    We found the sales approach of the Carworks team to be professional and reassuring, very different to past experiences. Perhaps that is the way of the world now, I don't know, dentistry has come a long way also but I'd have no hesitation in recommending this outlet - and the Latitude, a really nice drive.

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    note: now with some reservations due to company attitude & their Clayton's warranty....

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    Welcome back Bob.

    Nice car. I bet I goes ok too.

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    Although they are little conservative in their styling (like the Camry), most owners think they're a cracker!

    There's a lot of Laguna 3 under that metal too

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    There's a lot of Laguna 3 under that metal too
    And a lot of Nissan Altima as well.

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    Very good cars to get in and out of, with respect to clearance for feet getting out of the door space in the back! Sunroof may comment!
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    The mustang sounds way more exciting to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    The mustang sounds way more exciting to me
    A car with ** safety rating
    That's 2 (two) out of 5 (five) stars.
    That's last millennium standard.

    I guess it's exciting if you're heading for a prang.

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    Put into perspective the Mustang is probably no worse and possibly one hell of a lot better than many of the vehicles that we are in progress of restoring.

    I'd suggest that very few vehicles built before 1970 are any near as "safe" as the Mustang.

    And that won't stop me driving my "unsafe" cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Put into perspective the Mustang is probably no worse and possibly one hell of a lot better than many of the vehicles that we are in progress of restoring.

    I'd suggest that very few vehicles built before 1970 are any near as "safe" as the Mustang.

    And that won't stop me driving my "unsafe" cars.
    I dont' buy that at all. I bet it's lost a lot of stars due to "seatbelt warning" lights, access to rear seat, rear passenger injuries etc.... re-badge it two seater and see how many stars it gets.

    I don't believe any car made in the last 15 years would be "unsafe" like our old pre 90's cars.
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    Back on topic.

    We bought our koleos from carworks in ballarat. They were very good. Didn't seem pushy at all, even brought the car to airport west for us to have a look without any obligation. All salesmen seem knowledgeable but the best thing to me was how they didn't push us. We also looked at Nissan, toyota we even walked into both a Kia and a Hyundai dealer. Apart from the fact we didn't like the product the salesmen were waaaaayy to pushy. Tried to sign us up on the day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post
    To me an over pushy salesman will always make me walk away.
    Or one who is just a Fwit.

    Looked at a hyundai 7 seater at the yard and commented that the premium asking price or the KM on the dash didn't match the cracked plastics or dog hair infused carpets.

    Got told that I didn't know the market and all 7 seaters were like this because they were family cars owned by families.
    That car is still for sale month later, and my like-new family owned koleos is still like new, two families later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Welcome back Bob.

    Nice car. I bet I goes ok too.

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    Thanks guys,

    yep, we're pretty pleased with it, and yeah, it does move some....

    Not as thirsty as the Fug & my v8 ute, and I dare say it would easily outrun both of 'em. Not a bad effort considering the weight it's pulling around and a miserly 3Ĺ litres. Even feels good in corners, certainly feels better around a local sweeper than the old Celica !

    My FIL recently got himself a late model G6, he was impressed with the level of fit-out that came with the Renault compared to the Furd - particularly the headlight brightness and self levelling feature. The Latitude looks to me to be a pretty good deal, at $44k new I suppose there has to something nice.

    Benefits of modern techno - bit wary of all these gizmos though, lectrikery and Renault haven't been good bedfellows in my past experience. But, we're enjoying it while it lasts...

    cheers,
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    I've got a few friends with them and starting to clock up the kms. All are very happy and no real problems. You will be happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob View Post
    G'day,

    been a long time since I posted in here, nothing much to say I guess....

    SWMBO has had, for a very long time, a strong Toyota relationship. She has been mentioning for some time that we really ought to get a "sensible" vehicle, the Celica not really making the grade for age pensioners - with even older parents that require occasional transport. My suggestion of a newish Mustang was flatly rejected...

    Anyway, motoring along the local car-yard-strip in Ballarat we propped outside the Renault dealer, a large yard with an impressive number and variety of vehicles. She only got to the second one inside the gate, having bypassed the gateway Merc, "what's this ?" she said, spying a pre-loved Latitude...

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    This is where it gets serious, never ever been impressed with car yard dealings, sort of in the realms of dentistry, and the salesman is approaching.....

    OK, no need for a novel, we ended up buying it..

    We found the sales approach of the Carworks team to be professional and reassuring, very different to past experiences. Perhaps that is the way of the world now, I don't know, dentistry has come a long way also but I'd have no hesitation in recommending this outlet - and the Latitude, a really nice drive.

    cheers,
    Bob

    I've got a friend who bought a Clio in Melbourne at the end of 2013 and moved to Ballarat at the end of 2014. They find the Ballarat dealer far better than the one they dealt with in Melbourne, and have been really impressed with their service on servicing and a couple of warranty claims. Ballarat Renault has won Renault dealer of the year, and from what I've heard they deserve it.

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    Glad you've had a good experience. I live in Ballarat and bought my vehicle in Geelong.

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    G'day,

    picked up by Renault roadside or whatever they are called, today. Good service, taken on a flattop for delivery to the dealer tomorrow morning.

    It was a mongel to start a couple of days ago and when it finally did it might have been managing a whole four out of the six pots. No warning lights or whatever. We let it run for a few minutes, then gave it a rest for five minutes. Restarted as normal, then we got the spanner and the engine light and a dire pollution warning which refused to go away - even after it warmed up. 'Spose it would be a pollution problem, lots of unburnt fuel from the misfiring, but it didn't 'self heal'....

    Dealer suggested an on site visit, which we did, and won a free tow - I was a bit wary of running the thing 40 minutes into Ballarat with warning lights etc anyway....

    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob View Post
    G'day,

    picked up by Renault roadside or whatever they are called, today. Good service, taken on a flattop for delivery to the dealer tomorrow morning.

    It was a mongel to start a couple of days ago and when it finally did it might have been managing a whole four out of the six pots. No warning lights or whatever. We let it run for a few minutes, then gave it a rest for five minutes. Restarted as normal, then we got the spanner and the engine light and a dire pollution warning which refused to go away - even after it warmed up. 'Spose it would be a pollution problem, lots of unburnt fuel from the misfiring, but it didn't 'self heal'....

    Dealer suggested an on site visit, which we did, and won a free tow - I was a bit wary of running the thing 40 minutes into Ballarat with warning lights etc anyway....

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    Not sure what is wrong with the car but maybe something as simple as pencil coils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Not sure what is wrong with the car but maybe something as simple as pencil coils.
    Yeah sounds like coils to me.
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    How many k's has it done Bob? How much of the petrol engine is Renault and how much is Nissan? Not that it matters much I guess as mine is a diesel.

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    G'day,

    coils ? the fault has gone away after it was left alone for five minutes, the error lamps were alight by this stage but it ran OK.

    Interesting, the ute showed similar symptoms this morning as well [BA 5.4L v8] but it's error light went out for the restart. And the Bosch checker found nothing - to be expected I understand, useless.... The Ford has done this once before, a year or two ago, local mechanic found nothing.

    Both instances are very bad misfires, un-drivable. I would have thought that crook coils would have stayed crook ?

    Yeah, we went looking for the last petrol dockets, same station but the ute got 95 and the Renault got 98.

    Can't remember how far the Latitude has traveled, but it's not that far, only 4-5 years old.

    cheers,
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    G'day,

    OK, so they found nothing and reset the 'puter....

    Further, since they found no fault, it's MY fault and it's gonna cost me $75 it seems. Bloody thing was lit up like a Christmas tree with it's error lights, and it's down to me....

    This Clayton's warranty is a deal breaker for us, it kills Renault and the dealer in this household. If this is the the general way with the marque these days I can't see them hanging about for very long.

    I'll have a whinge when we pick up the car tomorrow and see if they really want the lousy $75. It's gonna cost them this customer and any others I can convince to go elsewhere....

    Oh, what's left to blame for the fault ? the fuel they say - since the car is refueled almost exclusively at Woolies Lucas I guess I'll have to have a word with them as well and let them know that their outlet is being maligned by Renault....

    cheers,
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    I'd have a whinge too Bob, for country motorists, you don't want a car that spits the dummy at fuel purchased at major outlets, should be some evidence to tie that claim down to the fuel, I wonder if the RACV or the local motoring press wants to take up the claim with both entities and see who is responsible. nice to have these things in writing to start the ball rolling mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    I'd have a whinge too Bob, for country motorists, you don't want a car that spits the dummy at fuel purchased at major outlets, should be some evidence to tie that claim down to the fuel, I wonder if the RACV or the local motoring press wants to take up the claim with both entities and see who is responsible. nice to have these things in writing to start the ball rolling mate.

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    Certainly would not be the first time Caltex(Woolies) has been mentioned on a number of car sites I follow,but of course I cannot say that with any certainty ,I just don't take the risk!! Up to you to balance the service and reputation of the dealer against ??? AND the fact that two of your cars filled at the same outlet had dramas!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pclio View Post
    Certainly would not be the first time Caltex(Woolies) has been mentioned on a number of car sites I follow,but of course I cannot say that with any certainty ,I just don't take the risk!! Up to you to balance the service and reputation of the dealer against ??? AND the fact that two of your cars filled at the same outlet had dramas!!!
    Before they went dearer than poison, I used to use them exclusively as my local outlet, they seemed to me to resist the urgency to get into price rise rate and at least you got a full 4 cents on shopper dockets at the lowest day of the industry so called "discount cycle", and had no trouble at all with either the 98 Ron or the Diesel I was using.


    That all ended when they seemed to abandon their regular customers and hiked prices and the noticeable thing is seeing other than marked Caltex tankers on their premises that appeared to be unloading fuel (same with some other outlets) maybe we are seeing another round of contaminated fuel that can be sourced free of excise and mixed, hate to see that nonsense again.

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    Jap (Nissan) engine isn't it bob?

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