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    Took our 172 to the auto electrician because the speedometer odometer fuel gauge and temp gauge were not working he said the problem was in the cluster so i got a secondhand cluster same problem any suggestions as to the cause?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus.1948 View Post
    any suggestions as to the cause?
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    I hope he never charged you for the poor service he gave you.

    On the subject of the cluster not working it could be a fuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    I hope he never charged you for the poor service he gave you.

    On the subject of the cluster not working it could be a fuse.

    It cost me $50 for diagnosis check the fuses all seem to be ok is there a relay covering these items
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    Certainly looks to be a power issue but if you have power at the fuse then it's likely to be somewhere between the fuse and the instrument cluster.
    Check if you're not getting power to those devices check the wiring starting at the gauges and working back.

    If you have got power at the cluster there could be a voltage regulator on the board and that could be on the Fritz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REN TIN TIN View Post
    Certainly looks to be a power issue but if you have power at the fuse then it's likely to be somewhere between the fuse and the instrument cluster.
    Check if you're not getting power to those devices check the wiring starting at the gauges and working back.

    If you have got power at the cluster there could be a voltage regulator on the board and that could be on the Fritz.
    There appears to be power at the cluster all the warning lights come on when you turn the ignition and the wife has just informed me that sometimes the speedo will work for about a kilometer when first starting off but then dies as you can probably guess i don't know a lot about car electrics

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    Perhaps the second hand cluster also has the same fault!

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    What model is your 172? Does it have a central display for radio, temp and clock, if so is this working OK? Are the speedo etc gauges illuminated but not registering anything, or are both lighting and info functions out? If illuminated, do they dim when the headlights are turned on?
    I have had the speedometer/odometer on my 2002 172RS stop functioning for 25% of the time over the past few weeks; comes and goes; not bump related. My first suspect is the wiring plug to the sensor on the rear of the gearbox and will report when I get under it again.

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    Icon14 Try some Stabilant 22 electrical contact enhancer.

    If it is, like many of the mysterious Renault wiring faults poor contacts. I discovered way back in Fuego times , that one thing that was always needed was some electrical contact enhancer. Just needs a tiny wipe of the stuff on sliding contacts or pins and no more trouble, with intermittent contact.
    I noted that the same problem continues in the Laguna tail light contacts that will eventually get hot from the poor contact and then the overheated connector distorts and the worst part is that you just can't buy the connector, an d splice a new one in, you have to buy a brand new taillight assembly, i.e. a two 0r three hundred dollar expense for want of more reliable electrical contacts.

    Anyway back in the Fuego days I bought this stuff and it lasts almost forever, you use so little. Stabilant 22 Contact Enhancer from R.A.L. Audio Services, pro audio dealers.

    Any of the good reliable garage supply house carry it, the initial high cost is negated by the reliability that it brings to the Renault electrical system, I bought mine form Wurths and it was "wurth" its weight in gold, just for that reliability.

    I'd wipe a bit on the cluster contacts/pins and at all connection points in the electrical harness after you check the fuse blocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monteman View Post
    What model is your 172? Does it have a central display for radio, temp and clock, if so is this working OK? Are the speedo etc gauges illuminated but not registering anything, or are both lighting and info functions out? If illuminated, do they dim when the headlights are turned on?
    I have had the speedometer/odometer on my 2002 172RS stop functioning for 25% of the time over the past few weeks; comes and goes; not bump related. My first suspect is the wiring plug to the sensor on the rear of the gearbox and will report when I get under it again.
    Yes our car has the central display that is working ok and all gauges are illuminated just the functions not working i don't know if there is a relay controlling these functions but on my other cars I've relays fail and they worked on and off for a while before failing completely












































































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    I will get some and try it Ken Thanks
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    Yes our car has the central display that is working ok and all gauges are illuminated just the functions not working i don't know if there is a relay controlling these functions but on my other cars I've relays fail and they worked on and off for a while before failing completely












































































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    I may be completely wrong but i had a similar problem with a cluster in a t4 volkswagen ,the power for the guages go through a voltage regulator ,its a small electronic component [little bit of plastic with 3 legs on it ]on the back of the cluster ,to ensure accuracy of the gauges ,thinking this is a possibility as its just the gauges not working ,i just replaced this part ,try contacting someone who douse instruments ,pugs

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    As I have tried two different clusters and they both light up the same, everything but the fuel gauge speedo and odometer I assume the power is getting to the clusters
    If this is true maybe I've just been unlucky and have the fuel sender and speed sensor fail in close succession
    Am i right in assuming the fuel pump and sender are the one part would it be possible for the pump to be working and the sender not

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    If you have a multimeter it would be easy to check if the voltage regulator is working or not.

    My understanding is that the fuel level sender is in the same assembly as the pump, and yes the pump will work if the fuel gauge does not.
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    Yes i have a multimetre and would be very grateful if you could explain how the test the voltage regulator

    I would also like to thank everyone for their help

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    Like Pugwash said, the gauges would go through a voltage stabiliser (otherwise the reading would change with changes to the battery voltage) whereas warning lights don't need to be stabilised.
    Failing that, and as you have two clusters that displayed the same fault in could well be the plug on the harness that has a dirty or loose connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus.1948 View Post
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    Yes i have a multimetre and would be very grateful if you could explain how the test the voltage regulator

    I would also like to thank everyone for their help
    Sorry for late reply I missed your post.

    I'm not familiar with the Clio instrument cluster but it should not be to hard, select the the 20 volt scale on your multimeter and put the negative probe on earth (-) in the cluster. measure the voltage on the input and it should be what ever the battery voltage is. Next measure the voltage on the output of the regulator and it may be slightly lower than battery voltage with the car not running.
    If there is no voltage on the out the regulator is buggered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus.1948 View Post
    Hi Took our 172 to the auto electrician because the speedometer odometer fuel gauge and temp gauge were not working he said the problem was in the cluster so i got a secondhand cluster same problem any suggestions as to the cause? Thanks Robert
    Our first secondhand Scenic had had a replacement cluster installed by a previous owner - there is a problem with one or two components apparently on the Series II Scenics (about 2005-2010?). I went on to a UK forum, there being many more modern Renaults there, and found many posts on the problem and a guy offering rebuilt units with the dubious components replaced with more robust ones. Not that we've had a problem, just curiosity.

    Personally, with yours, I'd start by talking to the service manager of the nearest Renault dealer to find out whether others have done it and how they fixed them. I've found the guys in Perth very helpful. Then I'd find, perhaps from the same source, an auto-electrician who has actually worked on them. The dealer may have a "tame" guy who is familiar with the cars, not learning on yours. This approach sorted a minor Xantia problem years ago, and quickly. Then, in parallel, I'd go and sign up to a Renault (UK) forum and chase the problem down there.

    Good luck.
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    something that has not been mentioned is a possible loose earth to that part of the cluster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Sorry for late reply I missed your post.

    I'm not familiar with the Clio instrument cluster but it should not be to hard, select the the 20 volt scale on your multimeter and put the negative probe on earth (-) in the cluster. measure the voltage on the input and it should be what ever the battery voltage is. Next measure the voltage on the output of the regulator and it may be slightly lower than battery voltage with the car not running.
    If there is no voltage on the out the regulator is buggered.
    What does the regulator look like? Rufus may not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    What does the regulator look like? Rufus may not know.
    Not sure exactly as i'm not familiar with the Clio Instrument cluster, but would imagine it will be a an encapsulation with 3 legs coming out of it.
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    Doesn't the Clio have a self-test function (secret menu) for the gauges like the other Renaults?
    I don't know about the Clio but it's usually activated by pressing and holding the button on the indicator (or wiper) stalk and turning the ignition on. Once the test starts the button is released.
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