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    Falls Creek.
    Entry pay station.
    Full sized sign above - HUGE
    Captur posed in a full on snowscape.

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    Come on Renault - Who are you trying to fool.
    A TWO WHEEL DRIVE!
    Who exactly is your target demographic?
    You really have to get rid of your advertising knuckleheads.

    Sorry, as a Renault diehard I find this one hard to comprehend...

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    Have the marketing department mixed the models ?

    I can understand "Cactus in the snow"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    Come on Renault - Who are you trying to fool.
    A TWO WHEEL DRIVE!

    Sorry, as a Renault diehard I find this one hard to comprehend...
    Exactly! Everyone knows only a Renault 12 can do that :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    Falls Creek.
    Entry pay station.
    Full sized sign above - HUGE
    Captur posed in a full on snowscape.

    Come on Renault - Who are you trying to fool.
    A TWO WHEEL DRIVE!
    Who exactly is your target demographic?
    You really have to get rid of your advertising knuckleheads.

    Sorry, as a Renault diehard I find this one hard to comprehend...
    well, you saw it, and now that you have talked about it, all us non skiers know about it….

    Could have done worse.
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    FWD with snow chains, assuming sufficient ground clearance, not much of a problem.
    Forget RWD though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    FWD with snow chains, assuming sufficient ground clearance, not much of a problem.
    Forget RWD though.
    Not a problem.
    I drive a front wheel drive RS Megane with snow chains fitted when required.
    But it really brings home how many nuffers are out there when you see
    chains fitted to the rear of front drive SUV's.
    ...and they sit there with the front wheels spinning wondering why the thing
    won't move...

    Uh.. I suppose Renault will get the sign modified to a Koleos then?

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    R16 Anyone?
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    R4? FWD? Who are you kidding?.....
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    Could this have been the culprit?
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    They must have had better snow back in 1933..

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    In Scandinavian countries, most cars are two wheel drive, but the difference is they run two sets of tyres, summer and winter tyres, which is not practical in Oz, but they are adequate for most situations.

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    I have driven several thousand kilometres on studded winter tyres such as these:-

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    I have been to snowies in 1600 Datsun and Gemini with normal tyres with and without chains, prefer without chains. The only issue is getting moving if one has to stop in an uphill section, but my passengers were well drilled in opening doors and stepping outside to give a little nudge and hop back inside, it doesn't take much to get momentum, or to control little slip and slide at a sensible speed given the conditions
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    I'll have some chains please.

    Nothing like feeling yourself slowly move one direction whilst you thought you were stationary.

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    Chains might not always help with that. Studded tyres are better.

    But in fact in Europe pretty much all the countries have legislation that you have to have winter tyres if you want to move your car in winter in any direction.

    Studded tyres as above are one option (some inner city streets are off limits though for studded tyres).

    In Sweden for instance winter is not a good enough reason to slow down. I have seen 140k/h on snow covered freeways and RWD cars keep up very well. I took my 1966 R10 to the top of the ski slopes on snow and it was fun. You just need to learn to drive cars in snow - it's not that hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    Not a problem.
    I drive a front wheel drive RS Megane with snow chains fitted when required.
    But it really brings home how many nuffers are out there when you see
    chains fitted to the rear of front drive SUV's.
    ...and they sit there with the front wheels spinning wondering why the thing
    won't move...

    Uh.. I suppose Renault will get the sign modified to a Koleos then?
    There are a number of VW/Audi vehicles that can't take chains on the front wheels due to interference with the strut ......my old Skoda Yeti (4WD) was one, and Alltracks also the last time I checked.
    Seeing Audi is a Mt Hotham sponsor, I find that somewhat ironic.
    When I mentioned it to them I got no response ......!
    To me it's a bit sus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    There are a number of VW/Audi vehicles that can't take chains on the front wheels due to interference with the strut ......my old Skoda Yeti (4WD) was one, and Alltracks also the last time I checked.
    Seeing Audi is a Mt Hotham sponsor, I find that somewhat ironic.
    When I mentioned it to them I got no response ......!
    To me it's a bit sus.
    Remember, for the market they were designed, it would be expected to have a second set of wheels and studded tyres.

    On which the 4wd would excel. If Australia followed Europe and allowed studded tyres there would be no issue. Chain come a poor second to studded tyres.

    Skoda Yeti is a VAG PQ35 platform with latest generation Haldex 4wd, same a the current, Audi Q3, so it's no surprise that snow chains aren't part of the design brief.

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    I was not impressed with the fact that the snow chain issue was not mentioned other than in the hand book and even there it simply suggested chain may be fitted to the rear wheels.........!
    No thanks.
    In our 'managed' snow fields, you have to carry chains and can be required to fit them when signalled.
    It's diamond pattern or nothing and putting them on the back is a joke.
    I wonder how many know that they might not be able to fit them to the steering wheels.

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    Yeah, another one of those problems. I don't think Audi cares much about our managed snow fields. Not that studs or chains for that matter would help much in deep snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Exactly! Everyone knows only a Renault 12 can do that :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3006882 View Post
    On an unrelated note, does anyone know the name of the colour of that virage?
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    This whole snow issue grates with me.
    In the Victorian skifields chains must be carried at all times and fitted where instructed.
    Stage 1 is all two wheel drives. Engaged 4WD excepted.
    Stage 2 is all vehicles.
    That is the LAW, no if's, no but's.

    As regular skiers, we have been looking for a suitable vehicle to replace either a Clio Sport 182 ( wife's )
    or my RS Megane. Fitting chains is a chore for me, and worse for my wife if she goes up the mountain
    without me.
    Wife refuses to part with her Sport which she absolutely LOVES.
    I ain't keen on losing my Megane either, but could contemplate an occasional Clio drive to compensate.

    SO what's out there in capable 4WD's ?
    Has to be MANUAL.
    A great cruiser for the 3.5 hour drive from Melbourne to Bright.
    Has to be good for a spirited and legal drive up those great serpentine mountain roads.
    Obviously good on slippery surfaces - and all 4WD's are not the same.
    No chunderous blocks of flats thanks.

    Subaru Forester? Only manuals are gutless petrol and even more disappointing diesel.
    CVT? NO THANKS!
    Porsche Macan? great car, but auto only.
    Merc A class 4matic? Good sized hatch, but auto only.
    But get this - chains not approved by Merc.
    Thule have them listed as 7MM links - not the 12 or 14 MM regulars.
    AND YOU HAVE TO FIT THEM TO ALL FOUR WHEELS!!!
    Can you imagine doing that during a blizzard where you can barely fit your hands between the wheelarches and tyres?
    Similar predicament with VW products.

    Any ideas from regular snow goers?
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    That's annoying, chains fit on F40's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    This whole snow issue grates with me.
    In the Victorian skifields chains must be carried at all times and fitted where instructed.
    Stage 1 is all two wheel drives. Engaged 4WD excepted.
    Stage 2 is all vehicles.
    That is the LAW, no if's, no but's.

    As regular skiers, we have been looking for a suitable vehicle to replace either a Clio Sport 182 ( wife's )
    or my RS Megane. Fitting chains is a chore for me, and worse for my wife if she goes up the mountain
    without me.
    Wife refuses to part with her Sport which she absolutely LOVES.
    I ain't keen on losing my Megane either, but could contemplate an occasional Clio drive to compensate.

    SO what's out there in capable 4WD's ?
    Has to be MANUAL.
    A great cruiser for the 3.5 hour drive from Melbourne to Bright.
    Has to be good for a spirited and legal drive up those great serpentine mountain roads.
    Obviously good on slippery surfaces - and all 4WD's are not the same.
    No chunderous blocks of flats thanks.

    Subaru Forester? Only manuals are gutless petrol and even more disappointing diesel.
    CVT? NO THANKS!
    Porsche Macan? great car, but auto only.
    Merc A class 4matic? Good sized hatch, but auto only.
    But get this - chains not approved by Merc.
    Thule have them listed as 7MM links - not the 12 or 14 MM regulars.
    AND YOU HAVE TO FIT THEM TO ALL FOUR WHEELS!!!
    Can you imagine doing that during a blizzard where you can barely fit your hands between the wheelarches and tyres?
    Similar predicament with VW products.

    Any ideas from regular snow goers?
    Most Renault followers would know I have a penchant for driving in the Victorian Hill Country (Some call it "the Alps") during the winter in my Koleos Diesel 4X4, and prior to that vehicle my Scenic RX4. I never enter the ski-fields as such, (I'm too cheap to have to pay for my snow driving) but have been able to drive both vehicles in snow up to 35+ cm, always without having to fit chains. (Photographic proof provided on request) The Koleos has a six speed Nissan slush box, 320 Nm torque, Big Brakes and it provides an effortless way to cruise the high country at speed, I can thoroughly recommend one for the trips you are contemplating.
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    I was not impressed with the fact that the snow chain issue was not mentioned other than in the hand book
    With all due respect where would expect a matter like this to be discussed ?

    What would expect a manufacturer to do ?

    And after all the driver manuals are available on line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    On which the 4wd would excel. If Australia followed Europe and allowed studded tyres there would be no issue. Chain come a poor second to studded tyres.
    Chains are usually limited to max speed of between 30 -50 kph.

    Studded tyres are good in snow and ice but levels of adhesion are much less than summer traction, although easily managed. If you drive studded tyres on dry bitumen for any length of time, eventually you lose the studs. In Finland, proper winter tyres are required after a set date which is announced and coming into summer, winter tyre generally cant be used after a set date. They do cause extra wear on bitumen surfaces.

    Nokia have developed a studdless winter tyre, which I understand offer similar performance to studded tyres, but no studs to lose, however, their achilles heel is the fact that once the adhesion limit is exceeded, the driver becomes a passenger. I believe the studded tyres offer some change of recovery. The tyre compounds in these tyres have been developed to operate much lower temperature range, but their do not perform well in wamer temperatures.

    I don't think either tyre type is a practical solution in Oz due to limitations of these tyre types and the need to have two sets of tyres for car.

    https://www.nokiantyres.com/tyres/pa.../winter-tyres/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K View Post
    This whole snow issue grates with me.
    In the Victorian skifields chains must be carried at all times and fitted where instructed.
    Stage 1 is all two wheel drives. Engaged 4WD excepted.
    Stage 2 is all vehicles.
    That is the LAW, no if's, no but's.

    As regular skiers, we have been looking for a suitable vehicle to replace either a Clio Sport 182 ( wife's )
    or my RS Megane. Fitting chains is a chore for me, and worse for my wife if she goes up the mountain
    without me.
    Wife refuses to part with her Sport which she absolutely LOVES.
    I ain't keen on losing my Megane either, but could contemplate an occasional Clio drive to compensate.

    SO what's out there in capable 4WD's ?
    Has to be MANUAL.
    A great cruiser for the 3.5 hour drive from Melbourne to Bright.
    Has to be good for a spirited and legal drive up those great serpentine mountain roads.
    Obviously good on slippery surfaces - and all 4WD's are not the same.
    No chunderous blocks of flats thanks.

    Subaru Forester? Only manuals are gutless petrol and even more disappointing diesel.
    CVT? NO THANKS!
    Porsche Macan? great car, but auto only.
    Merc A class 4matic? Good sized hatch, but auto only.
    But get this - chains not approved by Merc.
    Thule have them listed as 7MM links - not the 12 or 14 MM regulars.
    AND YOU HAVE TO FIT THEM TO ALL FOUR WHEELS!!!
    Can you imagine doing that during a blizzard where you can barely fit your hands between the wheelarches and tyres?
    Similar predicament with VW products.

    Any ideas from regular snow goers?
    Have you looked at Koleos/ Nissan. Surely Kim has used and knows all about snow chains on his Koleos.

    A friend has an Octavia Scout diesel alltrac and uses chains successfully and regularly goes on the snow fields. Thule have the chains available I understand.

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