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    An Adelaide company in Edwardstown called LDN Wholesale are advertising 13 inch and 15 inch Superlites for sale to suit 3 stud fitment (see Gumtree).

    The minimum width they offer is 6 inch, has anyone run this width rim on an R8/R10 and what offset would be required?

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    I think this has been discussed a few times in this forum over the years.

    14" 3stud centres

    I think the conclusion was that the 13" would not work with the PCD available and the 15" had some offset issues.

    Happy though to see if they have done something to make it now work with a R8/10

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    You will also need to check if they can do 150mm pcd as the ones you use to be able to get were actually 4WD wheels, thus pretty heavy.

    It may be worth trying to get a group buy on some custom steel wheels or at least the centres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c.lees View Post
    You will also need to check if they can do 150mm pcd as the ones you use to be able to get were actually 4WD wheels, thus pretty heavy.
    I have a set of Performance Superlites on my 4CV in 15 x 6. Yes they were a 4WD wheel for Suzukis, and had the larger centre to accomodate the 150mm PCD. At the time all those years ago I quoted what offset I wanted, as there was some room to move on the casting. Also be aware that you will also need some 20mm holes milled into the mounting face to take the disc nuts in, and a small step machined on the inside of the face to avoid the rough area of the hub casting. I do wish I had offset mine more toward the outside as the tyres will rub on the inside of the rear shock tower when the suspension is in compression. At the time I was worried about fitting them under my 4CV guards, but I could have stretched them a little more.

    With the 15" wheels, although the same diameter as original, the tierod outer knuckle will scrape on the inside of the rim without some work. I the case of the 4CV the Kingpin style arm is removable from the hub and fits into a taper with a threaded section and nut to hold it in place. I machined the taper down a further 8mm to give clearance, putting a spacer on the rear under the securing nut. Don't know where the bump steer is, and it may not have been that good to start with.

    The 15" do miss the calipers and means you no longer have to shave them down unlike when fitting 13" wheels.

    I don't remember exactly, but on the subject of weight I think mine were 6.5Kg, not too silly, but more than twice the weight of the original with tyres fitted. The 4 heavy "flywheels" really didn't slow down the 145 Hp I had, allowing me to run a flat 13 sec quarter mile at I think 105 Mph. Sometimes people overthink things. This is not a race car. The shape of the 4CV is not conducive to stability at speeds over 160Kph.

    I did run 195/50/15 originally, but changed to 185/55/15, which reduced the tram tracking. Looking at the possibility of buying something sticky the next time, as tyre wear on a 650Kg car is not much of a worry.
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    Hi Alan,
    Would you mind pulling a wheel off and measuring the offset of inner rim to mount face.

    The blue Dauph in the pictures I believe runs them 15x6 and it looks awesome.

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    LDN Wholesales, is a bunch of "back yard Hillbillies" have a look on Google Maps at 39 Furness Rd. Edwardstown, and tell me what you think they do. More than likely a "Chop Shop".

    Maybe somebody is using the address to start a business, but I don't think they are moulding and machining.

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    Those wheels do look great. I did enquire about custom steel wheels a while ago, was going to be about $300 a corner. It may get cheaper in bulk. With custom wheels you get to have different widths front and back and what ever offset you desire. I imagine the centres are just laser cut from plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c.lees View Post
    Those wheels do look great. I did enquire about custom steel wheels a while ago, was going to be about $300 a corner. It may get cheaper in bulk. With custom wheels you get to have different widths front and back and what ever offset you desire. I imagine the centres are just laser cut from plate.
    Being such light cars, ideally the best option would be a light alloy rim. I went from light alloy rims on my 2.0L MK I Escort to 13x7 custom wide steelies with hub caps (going for Lotus look). It looked awesome but you could feel it took the edge off the acceleration response and the increased unsprung mass spoilt the ride a bit too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post
    LDN Wholesales, is a bunch of "back yard Hillbillies" have a look on Google Maps at 39 Furness Rd. Edwardstown, and tell me what you think they do. More than likely a "Chop Shop".

    Maybe somebody is using the address to start a business, but I don't think they are moulding and machining.

    Ray
    For some reason I was under the impression they're made in China now and the business selling them is just that - a business selling them. I could be wrong though ...

    That blue Dauph with Superlites is my dream car. Bloody sensational
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    Aren't the superlites based on the 4wd wheels going to be heavy.

    A round of three piece wheels are in order, custom centres. Who's feeling rich.
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    It looks like all roads lead to Mecaparts again....

    http://www.mecaparts.com/PhotosPieces/mp5356.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by R8 Dream View Post
    It looks like all roads lead to Mecaparts again....

    http://www.mecaparts.com/PhotosPieces/mp5356.jpg
    But aren't they only available in 13"? Tyres are harder to get.

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    Nah ya just have to buy cool ones.

    Hankook Evo's to the rescue, Plug your dimensions in here;

    https://www.hankooktyre.com.au/Psearch/Search.aspx

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    Or get some Hoosiers?

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    It would be good to source a reliable supply of reasonably priced 14 and 15 inch alloy mags (probably 6 & 7 inch diameter) at the right offsets to suit R8 and R10's. It seems there would be at least 1/2doz potential purchasers on here at least.

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    I thought everyone just chopped up R18 wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    I thought everyone just chopped up R18 wheels?
    It's usually r16 wheels, but having a centreless wheel is much easier to balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c.lees View Post
    Aren't the superlites based on the 4wd wheels going to be heavy.

    A round of three piece wheels are in order, custom centres. Who's feeling rich.
    My 15 x 6 "heavy" Superlite wheels weigh 16.1Kg with 185/55/15 tyre fitted. I think they were 6.5Kg or thereabouts without the tyre fitted, or about 0.5 Kg over what would be a reasonably light wheel of that size. The factory 15 x 6 Peugeot 205GTI wheels with 185/55/15 tyres weighed in at 19 Kg.

    For Ray. My wheels have 113mm backspace to the absolute edge of the rim. I would recommend 105mm to lessen the chance of the rim/tyre coming in contact with the shock tower on the rear, if fitted to an R10. I don't think there would be problem with them sticking outside the guards at this measurement. There is a lot more room under R8/10 guards than a 4CV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c.lees View Post
    But aren't they only available in 13"? Tyres are harder to get.
    175/60-13 fronts and 185/60-13 rears in trackday tyres are available; or: 185/60-13 all round (with more of a pressure differential) in Hankook Ventus Concept V2 for road tyres (but get them soon as they won't be available much longer).

    You're right though. Don't research wheels until you're researched tyre availability. (And don't go over-wide &/or over-low profile at the rear on a road car that has to retain some suspension travel unless you enjoy the unsanitary behaviour of a tyre climbing on to its edge as the axle droops into +ve camber.)

    cheers! Peter

    Seriously though, for road car steering feel sweetness, avoid the exaggerated front offset of 13" and choose 14".

    cheerz! Peter

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    Apologies if this is in the wrong section but seeing it has its own thread I have included it.
    For sale Dauphine Superlites. 15"X7", 205 50 15 Toyo R's. Modified front & rear hubs (120mm PCD), spacers.
    Full kit to suit rear engine Renaults $1200 the lot. Dauphine not included. Ringwood, Vic.
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    Damn I love that car!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinea110 View Post
    Apologies if this is in the wrong section but seeing it has its own thread I have included it.
    For sale Dauphine Superlites. 15"X7", 205 50 15 Toyo R's. Modified front & rear hubs (120mm PCD), spacers.
    Full kit to suit rear engine Renaults $1200 the lot. Dauphine not included. Ringwood, Vic.
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    Do you mind me asking what your plans are for this magnificent least beast? I didn't think it could be improved on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    Do you mind me asking what your plans are for this magnificent least beast? I didn't think it could be improved on!
    Just like looking at it. My first car was a Dauphine Gordini and I have always had a soft spot for them. The last one I had was the Phil Sethna car which we rebuilt from a rolled ex race car. That car had heaps of character and eventually went to Japan. I have another more powerful engine with Alpine or Gordini alloy rocker cover and Alpine Alloy sump. The engine bay needs sprucing up. It needs door trims and maybe a rollcage. I also have a couple of sets of 13" wheels for it. A110 Bimetals and another unknown brand.
    I will run it in a few events like hillclimbs and Geelong revival etc.
    Other than that the car has been very well built and is a credit to the original builder.
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