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    Default F1 Car Beats a Superbike Around a Racetrack

    Here's How Badly an F1 Car Beats a Superbike Around a Racetrack

    Here's How Badly an F1 Car Beats a Superbike Around a Racetrack

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    And so it should! Gives us those 4 wheels of traction any day.

    But not when I'm riding to work, because I'm faster then you all. :p
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    That was a great vid though.. It can be all summed up with F1 guys roll up in a truck with an elevator. The Bike, a Van and ramp

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    OK, now a Superbike is equivalent to a super GT!!!

    So make it fair...........
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    Would a MotoGP bike have been quicker than the superbike?

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    Yes, on the tracks that they both race on the GP bikes are about 6-8 secs faster, and neither is any where equivalent to the contact patch of a F1 car, and if you want to play nice check the lap times of the top WEC cars to F1, that will surprise you, for cars that are a good bit heavier!!!!

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    You have to understand what goes into each formula before you make a match, and who is driving/riding. Sabine Schmidts(?) overtakes bikes around the outside in a van at Nubergring ........... !!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armidillo View Post
    Would a MotoGP bike have been quicker than the superbike?
    I would hope so, MotoGP is a proto type machine and a superbike is based on a production machine that anyone can buy.
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    I asked the question because a MotoGP bike is limited to 500cc, while Superbikes permit up to 1000cc.

    Ok I've now looked up some figures for Silverstone.

    World Superbike lap record 2:04:041 (2011 - doesn't seem to have been broken yet)
    MotoGP lap record 2:00:234 (2015)
    F1 lap record 1:29:607 (2013 - qualifying lap)

    So superbike fastest lap is less than 4 seconds slower than a MotoGP bike. The car won by 13 seconds, so replacing the Superbike with a MotoGP bike would have resulted in a much closer finish. Wouldn't have change the overall result though - the car does 4 laps in the time it takes the fastest motorbike to do 3.

    In the scheme of things, the superbike looks far better value for money than a MotoGP bike!

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    In my younger years I dabbled in amateur motorcycle racing.
    I have no issue with the skill of the motorcycle rider in the video.
    The telling point was that braking into the corner by the F1 car behind the bike on the last lap. AMAZING!!!!

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    The F1 car as I said is unfair, as it has about 4 times the contact patch for vehicles of very similar power to weight ratio. Now as I said put the Superbike against its equivalent of a Super GT at Silverstone.

    See all you guys see this as a Playstation game. By the way a MotoGP bike is not 500cc.

    What are the times of a WEC LMP1 car at Silverstone ???? What weight is it compared to a F1 car ????

    Ascari ran a '97 Benetton (hot rod) with a Judd V10 (NA) at Brands on the Indy circuit, and were about 1.8 seconds faster than a 2006 Turbo Indy car that won the Indy championship that year. ?????

    Its all Apples and Oranges !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geckoeng View Post

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    By the way a MotoGP bike is not 500cc.

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    Its all Apples and Oranges !!!!!!

    Ray

    I stand corrected - thanks Ray! Shows how out of date I am. The old 125/250/500cc limits were for 2-strokes, which have been phased out. Engine capacity limits for Moto3/Moto2/MotoGP are now 250/600/1000cc and must be n/a 4-strokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armidillo View Post
    I stand corrected - thanks Ray! Shows how out of date I am. The old 125/250/500cc limits were for 2-strokes, which have been phased out. Engine capacity limits for Moto3/Moto2/MotoGP are now 250/600/1000cc and must be n/a 4-strokes.

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    The big difference is downforce. You can't really add wings to a motorbike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno View Post
    The big difference is downforce. You can't really add wings to a motorbike...
    Winglets have been trailed and have been banned in Moto2 and soon in Moto3

    Aero winglets banned in MotoGP junior classes Moto2 and Moto3 - MotoGP - Autosport
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno View Post
    The big difference is downforce. You can't really add wings to a motorbike...
    as the man says, downforce is the BIG thing. the winglets on the bikes do bugger all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lozenge View Post
    as the man says, downforce is the BIG thing. the winglets on the bikes do bugger all.
    I would think they might at 300kph
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    I would think they might at 300kph
    Particularly if they happened to slice your or other competitors leg open at that speed.........
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Kawasaki believes they serve a purpose at speed (other then murder).

    But yeah not down force. Just in effort to direct air away from the rider, and away from the exhaust opening. I.e hot exhaust trying to escape is not met by a wall of air, but a low pressure area where it can be moved from.

    Or so the internet says....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Particularly if they happened to slice your or other competitors leg open at that speed.........
    If you use that logic Kim, then they should ban footpegs and handlebars too.

    Gloves can be dangerous, many a GP rider has gone down and had there glove ground down to below the finger. Boots, boots too can get trapped under the bike and the rider loose a toe - think Mick Doohan, Daryl Beattie or any number of GP riders before or after them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Particularly if they happened to slice your or other competitors leg open at that speed.........
    Kim this claim is on par this : Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info

    So be very careful of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    I would think they might at 300kph
    granted. but as far as providing downforce when cornering, especially
    when the bike is tilted over at up to 60 degrees from the vertical,
    I can't see winglets being of any use at all, counterproductive even.
    it would be interesting to know the comparative G forces generated
    by motogp bikes and F1 cars when cornering.

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    No where near it. Bikes are lucky to push over 1g whilst cornering.

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    "superbike is based on a production machine that anyone can buy."

    There are a few bits that are as on production bikes but most parts used by teams are very special.
    Teams and mechanics obviously won't tell you what is "special".
    The special bits enhance the bike in the 10/10's zone and make it less of a beast.

    "Sabine Schmidts(?) overtakes bikes around the outside in a van at Nubergring ........... !!!!!!! "
    Sabine is very gifted , incredible connection with what ever she is driving. Intuitive style.
    She has the ability to work around the machines faults and limitations which few can.
    There are a few great drivers like this, Stirling Moss, Mike Hailwood, Casey Stoner and Marc Márquez .
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    I watched a WTCC race with that Schmitz lass running in it. Apparently Front Wheel Drive isn't her normal thing, but she was just a mid field also-ran in the event. It would appear that she is competent but not outstanding, and largely known for being a girl who can actually drive a car competitively.

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