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    Default Renault Kadjar - queer name, nice vehicle!

    I see various flattering and positive reviews of the new Renault KADJAR, as being "better than" the Qashqai which currently is Europe's favourite compact SUV, and "almost as good as" the VW Tiguan (from Thomas the German reviewer on Auto Express), which makes it a potential replacement for my beloved Koloes. However, I hear conflicting reports on weather it will be available in Oz. Any 'insider' knowledge?

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    New Renault Kadjar unlikely to come to Australia

    Seems like you may have to settle for Qashqai Clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    New Renault Kadjar unlikely to come to Australia

    Seems like you may have to settle for Qashqai Clone.
    That would be a pity because the Kadjar seems to be ideal. At the last French Car Day in July 2015 a Renault dealer told me that the Kadjar would be available in 2016. So, what is the story? The new "extended" Koleos is likely to be too big for my liking - why do these vehicles always grow bigger? I will have to consider the Qashqai or Kuga/Mazda CX3/Honda HRV/Tucson/Trax/Suzuki X-Cross/Mitsu ASX and others (plenty to choose from!), or even the Tiguan, although I don't like the new tiny overblown over-stressed engines - I prefer naturally aspirated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitie View Post
    That would be a pity because the Kadjar seems to be ideal. At the last French Car Day in July 2015 a Renault dealer told me that the Kadjar would be available in 2016. So, what is the story? The new "extended" Koleos is likely to be too big for my liking - why do these vehicles always grow bigger? I will have to consider the Qashqai or Kuga/Mazda CX3/Honda HRV/Tucson/Trax/Suzuki X-Cross/Mitsu ASX and others (plenty to choose from!), or even the Tiguan, although I don't like the new tiny overblown over-stressed engines - I prefer naturally aspirated.
    new tiny overblown over-stressed engines
    It's the way of the future. More power generally equals higher efficiency. And most owners want maximum fuel economy.

    We have a 2.0t Audi A3 in the family, which was one of precursors of those " new tiny overblown over-stressed engines' and it's covered 165,000 km without issue and still in daily use.

    So I'd suggest the " new tiny overblown over-stressed engines" are designed to cope. And with an optional 2 year warranty extension on the std 3 years you can have belt and braces.

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    Thanks robmac, that is reassuring and good to know - I have no desire to join the class action against VW as a result of engine and gearbox failures. By the way, in my ongoing endeavours to find the eventual replacement for the Koleos, I tested the VW 180TSi Tiguan today and found it solid and pleasant to drive but not outstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitie View Post
    Thanks robmac, that is reassuring and good to know - it seems I will not have to join the thousands in the class action against VW as a result of engine and gearbox failures. By the way, in my ongoing endeavours to find the eventual replacement for the Koleos, I tested the VW 180TSi Tiguan today and found it solid and pleasant to drive but more cramped and in no way better, and with fewer features.
    What are you looking to spend ? The Q3 is a very refined drive and has all the features and more you seem to be seeking. A family member has just purchased a Q3 Quatro with the lot. It's a very impressive vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitie View Post
    Thanks robmac, that is reassuring and good to know - I have no desire to join the class action against VW as a result of engine and gearbox failures. By the way, in my ongoing endeavours to find the eventual replacement for the Koleos, I tested the VW 180TSi Tiguan today and found it solid and pleasant to drive but not outstanding.
    I picked the Honda HRV over the Tiguan, bit roomier inside, wasn't that fussed on the feel of the engine/gearbox set up on the VW. My Mother just bought the outgoing Suzuki Grand Vitara in Auto for $26K ($5K discount) and seems a competent performer. I know it's getting little dated, but the excellent all around visibility and value for $ clinched the deal for her. Your mileage may vary.
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    I agree with Rob. A friend in Sydney has had a Audi Q3 TSI for about 18 months. No issues and very happy. Plenty of grunt and good economy. The Q3 would be about the same size as Koleos I'd think.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CXVingtCinq View Post
    I agree with Rob. A friend in Sydney has had a Audi Q3 TSI for about 18 months. No issues and very happy. Plenty of grunt and good economy. The Q3 would be about the same size as Koleos I'd think.?
    Unfortunately Audi dropped 160 kw version. The biggest engine available is 2.0tsi 132 Kw. IMO they are just a bit under powered for vehicle that has gained weight from 4wd components. But they hang on like grim death to wet roads.

    The only real issue is Audi being ready to ream you at every opportunity, However I believe current delivery includes 3 year scheduled servicing and Road side assist in the the purchase price. Which makes it a bit more comfortable.

    After being quoted $1500 to fix the catches on the sun blinds of the out going A3 2.0 T sports back, We purchased OEM original parts ex ebay/ USA and did the job in under 2 hrs. A$220 all up. Audi are cruel on labor and parts!

    Everyone I know who owns the new Honda SUV is very happy too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CXVingtCinq View Post
    I agree with Rob. A friend in Sydney has had a Audi Q3 TSI for about 18 months. No issues and very happy. Plenty of grunt and good economy. The Q3 would be about the same size as Koleos I'd think.?
    Sounds great! I would love to own an Audi Q3, but for how much? No one mentioned price so far. Apples with apples remember! (a bit of research shows that you get no change from $55,000 on the Q3 - I can buy two Koleoses or Tiguans for that kind of money.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitie View Post
    Sounds great! I would love to own an Audi Q3, but for how much? No one mentioned price so far. Apples with apples remember! (a bit of research shows that you get no change from $55,000 on the Q3 - I can buy two Koleoses or Tiguans for that kind of money - so gentlemen, get real please.)
    What are you looking to spend ?
    As per post #6

    It's not a case of "get real" it's a case of you establishing the budget. So obviously the Q3 is too rich for you (as it was for us too). When you start buying option packs", techik, led lighting, mag wheels etc the the price comes closer to $70k. Which supports my comment about being reamed.

    If the Q3 is off the list yoru choices are Franco-Japanese or Japanese. To stay roughly on budget. (I've yet to stay exactly within budget on a new car)
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    Mr robmac, the answer to answer your question as to how much I want to spend: as little as possible, as long as I get a reasonably good vehicle that does what it is designed to do, reliably and in safety, and gives me plenty of 'driving pleasure' for at least five years, by which time it will be obsolete and out of fashion and worth very little. Then I can move to a new model with the latest gadgets and features without losing my life savings. I love gadgets! (it is amazing how many 4-5 year old BMW X5's are for sale for around $50 thousand - think of the financial loss there - ouch!)
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    So why buy new and suffer the depreciation?

    You should find a MY 2013 Q3 at around 80k km, with full service history and the option packs for around $30k.

    Have it serviced by a non dealer Audi specialist as we do with the A3.

    It not much more than you are currently looking at spending.

    Of course you need to decide in your own mind if it's the "right choice"

    Don't have an X5 on your mind.

    The timing chain pre-tensioner can fail with very minimal warning and wreck the engine. It's a replacement engine (which are rare as rocking horse sh!t) or a rebuild. $25k repair from a dealer or $15k from a non dealer specialist. One of my close friends suffered that last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post


    Don't have an X5 on your mind.

    The timing chain pre-tensioner can fail with very minimal warning and wreck the engine. It's a replacement engine (which are rare as rocking horse sh!t) or a rebuild. $25k repair from a dealer or $15k from a non dealer specialist. One of my close friends suffered that last year.
    A work colleague suffered the same fate. As an ex-army mechanic he had no qualms about doing it himself. Took 3 months of long service leave tacked onto Xmas hols.
    He couldn't get it done despite spending $1500+ on special tools.

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    do you know what stopped him?
    i was wondering how it can be so expensive to rebuild a motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    do you know what stopped him?
    i was wondering how it can be so expensive to rebuild a motor.
    Original parts. Bent valves, pistons, sprockets rooted. All custom oem parts.

    My mate found a replacement motor from a totalled X5 . Cost him $8k all up with the chain path and chain replaced. If you hear a minor "zinging" noise on start/up idle on an E53 X5 or E39 5 series with the 4.8L V8 don't ignore it until next service !

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    he should have checked out ebay first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    he should have checked out ebay first!
    Tried that. Importing was an considered because local stocks are scarce. And the X5 and 5 series engines, although being the same internally are are subtlety different, in mounting. Enough to make a change of parts uneconomical. So it's needs to be an X5 4.8L engine from a similar VIN series to interchange.

    A lesson that was learnt after one engine came from NSW, was checked out, and was shipped back to supplier.

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    It is official, no Kadjar for OZ! Instead it's the Captur and the bigger Koleos. I find that remarkable in view of the well known fact that the name Koleos does not elicit unbridled enthusiasm in many markets including OZ - whereas the Kadjar (despite the name) looks like having a bright future.

    A word about expensive Euro vehicles: I learnt very early in my young and foolish life, when I was aspiring to those perceived heights of glory and image, that there is nothing as sad, and exorbitantly expensive (as alluded to above by your good selves) as a Merc or Jaguar or BMW that is past its prime.
    Not unlike ex-prime ministers. I therefore prefer a fresh, new, up to date reasonably priced vehicle to a slightly used 'prestige' car.
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    A word about expensive Euro vehicles: I learnt very early in my young and foolish life, when I was aspiring to those perceived heights of glory and image, that there is nothing as sad, and exorbitantly expensive (as alluded to above by your good selves) as a Merc or Jaguar or BMW that is past its prime.
    Not unlike ex-prime ministers. I therefore prefer a fresh, new, up to date reasonably priced vehicle to a tired old 'prestige' ca
    See where you are coming from. However one needs to make a distinction when buying any used vehicle.

    A 2 year old vehicle, at 80k , still with a years factory warranty remaining hardly classifies as a " tired old 'prestige' car"

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    I think once Renault realise their mistake, the Kadjar will be on the next boat to Australia. My guess, it that the Spanish plant will be flat out trying to cater for the European and UK markets before they release it to other parts of the world.

    Also, I think Renault Australia would really like to introduce the new generation Koleos here before they introduce the Kadjar, so not to steal any of the limelight and sales from the Koleos.

    It's a no brainer to release the Kadjar here, it really does have the potential to add significant volume to the brand. With 3 SUV's - Captur, Kadjar and Koleos and along with the Ute - 'Alaskin', Renault Australia willbe in a very good position in the next 4 or 5 years. And if they decided to add the Renault Duster SUV and Duster Oroch Ute, well, who knows what could happen?!?!
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    Interesting insight there Mr iLaguna. I think you summed it up nicely. In view of the unpopularity of the Koleos name, here and elsewhere, maybe a name change would be advisable on the 'new generation Koleos'?

    While searching for a good deal on the MY15 Koleos BOSE, I noticed that the price has grown to a whopping $41,000, virtually overnight. Wow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Tried that. Importing was an considered because local stocks are scarce. And the X5 and 5 series engines, although being the same internally are are subtlety different, in mounting. Enough to make a change of parts uneconomical. So it's needs to be an X5 4.8L engine from a similar VIN series to interchange.

    A lesson that was learnt after one engine came from NSW, was checked out, and was shipped back to supplier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    Yes, yes, was the engine advertised on ebay February 2014 ? I think not.

    And a year and a half is a long time to wait for a replacement engine to appear on Ebay or anywhere else for that matter.

    I thing this particular diversion has run it's course. And just perhaps it is appropriate to consider the OP's request to cease and desist on the topic of X5s.

    and I don't really want another English lesson from Petite poupée gonflable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitie View Post
    While searching for a good deal on the MY15 Koleos BOSE, I noticed that the price has grown from $34,500 approx to a whopping $41,000, virtually overnight. Wow! Marketing 101! First they destroy the price basis through heavy discounting in order to sell at least a few, and then, in order to lift the price point for the 'new model' they come with this oh-so-transparent sleight of hand. They must think we are all stupid. Add to that, that sales people have inadequate product knowledge and hardly know the difference between models and what standard features are included or how to justify this sudden price increase. Woeful!
    I think the value of the Australian Dollar has something to do with it
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