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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    7)Swap those seats over
    The wreck had 2 x front seats in good condition minus a 5cm rip in the drivers side of course. It's all pretty dry, I'm tempted to soak them in dublin for a week but I might try to mismatch the good leather from mine, over the good bases on the wreck.
    Looks like you are making pretty good progress. With the seat covers, probably save the dubbin and the effort, as I doubt the dubbin will have much effect on saving the hardened Ayers Brown vinyl.

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    Good to know Simon. I wasn't excited about the idea to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    <snip> Power on will tend to pull the geometry towards toe out, <snip>


    Cheers
    Not right I suggest.

    With power on, the wheels clamber forward & then the car is dragged after it. So, toe-in.
    With power off, inertia keeps the body going & the wheels get dragged back by the rood. So, toe-out.

    Pulling left or right as power is applied/released means that the toe change is uneven from left to right.

    cheers! Peter

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    Or if the bushings are gone the toe changes will tell you what side needs attention.

    A well sorted 12 will go straight as an arrow and have very good turn in for a FWD car of its age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Well the long weekend is here. Hoooray.



    Might even start a new thread to rid myself of the *POS* title of this one.
    What does POS stand for?

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    Pile of S**t or Piece or S**t depending on your preference.

    Thanks for the continued discussion regarding the geometry also! This will be valuable once it's up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Pile of S**t or Piece or S**t depending on your preference.
    Oh, my opinion is that the only Renaults worth the name POS will be the ones in the '90s. Starting from the Meganes with their ever present auto failures, coil failures, electronic (computor) failures.

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    I love how the R12 threads are always so popular.
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    Yes I must say the support on this forum is fantastic.

    I must get a sticker for the quarter panel that reads,

    "Car built by forum"
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    Well it's dark again. More things fixed and more problems found.

    So I was supposed to get all excited and bog everything today. That didn't happen. I was planning on leaving early and was concerned I would run out of time so I worked on the other annoying things.

    I now have a good front seat! For what it's worth, the drivers and passengers side are interchangeable. This presented another problem however. With the fresh front seat my head now touches the roof! This will be uncomfortable with a helmet, the old sagged bottom may go back in yet!

    The non-pranged door I fitted, well the external button doesn't release it from the lock. :S It simply seems it is not pushing on the internal lever far enough to open it. Is that a roadworthy item?

    The only solution is to have the window wound down and open it from the Inside lever which functions as normal. I poured a huge amount of kero down the mechanism hoping it's just a build up of crud that is fouling it. Will cross my fingers and try again later. It just looks annoying to replace. Anyway. If neccessary the working bits from the pranged door will go in.

    This good door doesn't have a mirror attached either, and it appears different to the S1 mirror. I can't even remember if it had one on it when it was rescued.. Either way a junkyard / super cheap to the rescue, anything that screws on at this point will do. In case you are wondering, S1 mirrors screw in from within the door, S2 screw onto the door. I know I know.. annoying. Actually this is assuming this S2 door had an original mirror on it..


    Also, the S2 door is heavier then the S1 door. It is quite noticeable if I'm honest. But the proof is in the pudding.! Look! A nice line across all panel, and no dings!

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    To celebrate I did put one of the 205mm wheels on the back to ensure it would fit under the arch etc etc. And it does!

    My R12 POS Arrived!-image002.jpg
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    That is sitting by itself, not on the jack. It's going to look very purposeful once they are all on The chrome will have to come off however. It looks ridiculous next to the mis-match of panels that it is now.


    So anyway. Rust converter / bog / grey spray can for another day.

    There are a few bits and pieces around it now, I might as well do as much as I can and wear the primer proudly.
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    Bugger. Those R12 door lock mechanisms, in their day, were a known weakness. The button presses a steel lever in the mechanism, but it bends. Maybe the replacement ones (and I fitted some!) were stronger. I don't know. But that sounds like the problem.

    I think Series 2 doors might have had intrusion protection - and maybe heavier door latch mechanisms!

    All progress, isn't it!

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    It sure is. 1 step forwards, 2 steps sidewise, but it's ok

    And ah... my soaking overnight in kero trick probably won't do it then.

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    The seat problem (height) can be fixed if you get your hands on a couple of 17/15 seats. They fit but you will be lower in the car which is going to make it less comfortable for long distance cruising if you've got shoddy hips. It will get you the extra headroom though (and better lateral support). How tall are you, anyway? I am 180cm and have no problems but then again, I have a 12 wagon, I think that makes a slight difference.

    One more thing. 17/15 seats are handed because of the tilting mechanism. Problem not impossible to overcome, but to keep in mind.
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    Ah interesting. I might keep half an eye open for a 15 / 17 seat.

    I'm about 185cm. But I like to sit nice and upright with my arms straight, wrists resting on the top of the steering wheel. That usually means I have to have the seat back and tilted fairly square, hence running out of headroom.

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    The seats are height adjustable, where the seats bolt to the sliding rails there are 3 holes (heights) to choose from so you may be able to lower the seats. I have mine on the highest hole at the front and the lowermost at the back.

    The door locks from the later cars are the ones that seem to bend, the easiest fix is to replace them.
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    The seats are what now! Col I didn't even think to check. Many Thanks!
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    Full of surprises, these 12s, innit? I had no idea either.
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    The lock buttons on the front doors are part of the handle and aren't physically attached to the lock itself.
    There is a plastic pin on the button that engages a plate on the lock to open it. After 40 years of use the plastic pin and/or the spring in the button would be a bit worn or tired.
    So you can replace them by undoing the two bolts that fix the outside handle and replacing same.

    The back doors, at least is the later types (from at least 1972 onwards), have the lock button riveted to the lock mechanism. So you can replace the front by just replacing the handle, the back you have to replace or at least remove the lock. The passenger side gets less use than the drivers side so swapping them over might get a few more years out of them.


    My R12 POS Arrived!-r12-front-door-lock.jpgMy R12 POS Arrived!-r12-rear-door-lock.jpg

    I actually replaced the back door locks with the front types on my previous cars.
    The snipper button was harder to reach but it meant I could fit central locking so I didn't need to reach the lock button.

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    This is turning into a great thread. Like this info on seats never knew. At the moment my R12 G replica has SAAS seats but will have to get a new roadworthy as I let the registration lapse and the SAAS seats I have don't have Dept of Tpt approval tags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey View Post
    I love how the R12 threads are always so popular.
    We're just showing our age.
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    That Ray on the other side of Australia.. He's alright he is!

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    Thank you Ray
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    Not right I suggest.

    With power on, the wheels clamber forward & then the car is dragged after it. So, toe-in. With power off, inertia keeps the body going & the wheels get dragged back by the rood. So, toe-out. Pulling left or right as power is applied/released means that the toe change is uneven from left to right. cheers! Peter
    Just saw this. Yes, I had that the wrong way around I think. Thanks.
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    Well I went and had a look at the seats now in the shed, the old S1 seat and slightly not as old S2 seat;

    S2 = Height Adjustable like all have said, indeed three bolt holes where one can control the amount of bucket tilt! Brilliant!
    S1 = No height adjustment / bucket adjustment / any adjustment of any kind.

    Well.. I say that, who knows if the material was just not cut and a different from plate welded on to the seat from the S1.

    The S1 seat rail (on mine at least) actually sits lower the the lowest adjuster of the S2 seat. I believe I'll be able to swap the two over without much fuss so I'll fit it in with helmet once more!

    Also. my can of Ghost Gum Grey turned up today! I.e the colour of most of my 12. I'm very much looking forward to semi warmer day so I can start painting! WOO HOO!

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    That's weird; my 12 was Ghost Gum White, I'm pretty sure. Must refer to those mottled trunks!


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    Wait a second..

    Ghost Gum White = The parts car I bought and stripped
    Sage Grey = My green R12.



    Glad I just mixed it up here and not on the order form / can. : S

    Where's that coffee...

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