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    Default Renault readies Alpine sports car confirmed for Australia with $60K-plus price tag

    I did not see this article on the aussiefrogs site, may interest some people



    Renault readies Alpine sports car confirmed for Australia with $60K-plus price tag

    Renault readies Alpine : sports car confirmed for Australia with $60K-plus price tag | CarAdvice

    The revived Alpine under the guidance of Renault is nearing reality, with the exterior and interior design signed off, engines in place and Australian importation confirmed for the production model due in 2016.

    In a Paris motor show interview with CarAdvice, Alpine CEO Bernard Ollivier described the positioning of the Alpine as “somewhere between a Porsche Cayman and an Alfa 4C.”

    “Porsche Cayman, why? It is of course a very good car, but it’s very premium especially for the interior design, it’s very easy to be used daily.

    “In the other side, 4C is very, very frugal, very simple … and it’s not very practical for the daily use.”

    “Where is Alpine? Alpine will be premium, with a French touch. Very free, very simple … for France, not for Germany. [We will be] not like a Porsche. We will be very simple, not many accessories, only what is needed for the driving of the car. But very, very good materials, premium materials. And daily use, very important for us. A very real sports car, agility, a rocket, so … like 4C.”

    Two years on from the reveal of the (pictured) Alpine A110-50 concept, a clearly enthusiastic Ollivier explained that around 2000 to 3000 units will be built per year when the new Alpine launches in 2016 and confirmed that “the car will go in Australia, of course, it will be right-hand drive of course”.

    But it literally won’t be anything like a Caterham, following the divorce of Renault from the UK brand that purchased half of the brand from Renault in 2012.

    Caterham was expected to assist with the costs of creating the new Alpine, and while Ollivier says Renault’s 50 per cent repurchase of Alpine was amicable, there “was a difficulty from Renault because the separation had an important impact on the profitability of the project”.

    Despite this, however, the CEO adds that “we continued because frankly everyone in the top management thinks the car is absolutely fantastic, everyone in Renault is ready to help us because Alpine is great”.

    That also means Alpine can “get the best of the Renault group” including borrowing key ingredients from its Alliance partner Nissan.

    “Alpine can make quite affordable cars, but very strong sports cars, because we can use all the parts of Renault in the past and now the Alliance [with Nissan],” Ollivier continues. “We can get parts very competitively, it’s essential for the strategy. If it wasn’t possible, we couldn’t be affordable. We will be less expensive than a Cayman, because of that.”

    Yet because Ollivier nominates lightness and agility as the most important points for the Alpine, both the body and rear-wheel-drive chassis will be Alpine exclusives, with the aim of delivering a circa-1000kg kerb weight similar to the Alfa 4C.

    He confirms the engine will be a four-cylinder turbocharged unit, but adds that “the engine is a derivative of an existing engine”, almost certainly locking in the Renault Clio RS and Nissan Pulsar/Juke 1.6-litre direct-injection four-cylinder as the powertrain of choice.

    What the engine mates to, however, is more of a mystery. Asked whether a manual transmission is essential, Ollivier gasps at the question.

    “Ahhh! I won’t give you the exact solution we have chosen, but … I explained the modernity [and] in five or 10 years it’s finished the manual transmission. Today we have to choose for our customers what is the best solution.”

    Meanwhile Renault Australia managing director Justin Hocevar has pointed to Alpine being sold in Australia only through specialist Renault dealerships who have a connection with the brand.

    “In one instance you could have a vision of stand-alone stores, temples devoted to Alpine, but you have to make this a commercial reality,” he explained. “We would be following a very similar pricing strategy as here in Europe – so if you say it’s positioned between the two [4C and Cayman] then we’d follow the same.”

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    Asked whether that means a circa-$90K price tag, Hocevar responded: “I don’t think it will be anywhere near that high, that would be the absolute upper end … depending on the final value proposition we see, that’s going to help us decide what price, but it’s certainly going to be north of the $60K mark and south of the $90K mark.”


    Some nice images of the concept alpine
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    I bet it won't sound as good as this one!

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    For me to even think about purchasing one it will need to be along the lines of the Lotus Elise/Exige

    We will see what they come up with.
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    OK, so there's life after Tavares - good.

    Light-ish? - good.

    Minimal gizmos? - good.

    1.6 turbo? - good for lightness so long as it's near lag-free.

    non-manual gearbox? - very bad indeed.

    focus on dynamics? - good.

    75k? - OK for some I suppose (& for Renault's bottom line) but a missed opportunity in a world which contains the splendid 86/BRZ & new MX5 not to mention used Elises.

    Personally, I'd prefer an Alpine-lite based on the Twingo. Best hope at the moment is the rumoured Beat-like lightweight Honda.

    Anyway, it's all moot for me; I can't imagine a more sweetly playful handler than my Djet.

    I wish them well with it.

    cheers! Peter

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    If it's anywhere near as much fun as this, it's nearest competitor, it should sell like hot cakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    If it's anywhere near as much fun as this, it's nearest competitor, it should sell like hot cakes!

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    Thanks Pug, link now fixed (hopefully!)
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    Sounds like it will be a $80K exercise by the time you add the options you have to have to make it worthwhile.
    It will need to be seriously good as you can easily pick up a 2014 Elise for that (with change) or go the S/H route and find an Exige with perfect lack of practicality.


    I would be happier if Renault went the simpler route and built something to replace my long serving Smart Roadster.
    Then they would get some volume and it would be a sub $50K option.

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    Two things, Stephen!

    Firstly, from Wikepedia:

    "Despite a projected break even of only 8-10,000 units per year, first year sales almost doubled this estimate. However, some Smart Roadsters leaked and production ceased due to the warranty work and other costs reaching an average of €3000 per vehicle. While a critical success, the Smart Roadster was, due to these costs, an economic failure for the company."

    Not a route that our friends at the Regie would want to intentionally follow, n'estce pas?

    Second, Alpine is looking at 2-3000 units per year, LHD and RHD. Not volume figures, but nice ones for what will undoubtedly be a modern classic. I do however doubt that a Smart Roadster would offer anything that the new Alpine will lack.

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    As I said: "I would be happier if Renault went the simpler route".
    Mercedes stuffed up the initial build (in France), after sales support (we are Mercedes, we don't make mistakes) and management of the Roadster, the concept is great but was poorly handled.
    MB tried to sell the cars for $45K in Australia which was a joke and many sat for 2 years (or more) before they found buyers at heavy discounts.

    However, Renault have a lot more experience building useful small cars and I think they could do a great job with a similar concept.
    At $80K not many will drive the proposed Alpine as a daily drive and by the description it might be a bit soft as a performance car.
    Don't get me wrong, I will be begging a test drive of any new Alpine but I don't see it coming home with me to replace my Roadster (or my Europa for that matter).

    But a small & practical 2 seater 'sports' by Renault (maybe reserve the Alpine for the low volume) with the baby Clio motor and DSG @ under $50K might do it for me.

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    To get performance out of a car with a cooking engine with a bloody great turbokompumpenstuffer bolted to it Renault appear to have gone the carbon fibre body route. If you have ever had anything to do with this black gold you'll know it ain't cheap, and they make F1's out of it because it's light and strong. It should make A110 handling look like a bucket of bolts and plastic and I'd doubt the performance of the new Alpine won't impress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenH View Post

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    But a small & practical 2 seater 'sports' by Renault (maybe reserve the Alpine for the low volume) with the baby Clio motor and DSG @ under $50K might do it for me.
    So, again, base it on the Twingo, accept that it won't be mega-fast but only brisk (it'll have to use the triple and high boost will upset handling poise), focus on the dynamics above all & there's your beastie (& let Smart try another Roadster on the LWB platform).

    But please, no DSG.

    Name? well, if 'Alpine' will now be too posh, then why not, say, 'Gordini'?

    cheers! Peter
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    Hmmm.

    Pas de 500HP 3.5L V6? Merde!

    Nice looking otherwise, I don't understand the comparison to Lotus which is an ugly bulbous little plastic rattle box.

    For 60k you can have the Focus RS (?) with all the toys and be a lot more exclusive too (if that tickles you).

    Or (sacre bleu!) a BRZ/86. Or two. Or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
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    For me to even think about purchasing one it will need to be along the lines of the Lotus Elise/Exige

    We will see what they come up with.
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    Hmmm.

    Pas de 500HP 3.5L V6? Merde!

    Nice looking otherwise, I don't understand the comparison to Lotus which is an ugly bulbous little plastic rattle box.

    For 60k you can have the Focus RS (?) with all the toys and be a lot more exclusive too (if that tickles you).

    Or (sacre bleu!) a BRZ/86. Or two. Or both.
    The reason for the Lotus Elise/Exige comparison is these are basic performance cars, if you want air con plus other modern toys you need to start ticking the option boxes.

    Exige Specifications | Lotus Cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    The reason for the Lotus Elise/Exige comparison is these are basic performance cars, if you want air con plus other modern toys you need to start ticking the option boxes.

    Exige Specifications | Lotus Cars
    The Lotis Exige/Elise are hardly bare bones performance motoring. For that you would need something like a Caterham, where the only options are more performance with more fresh air as you go faster. The Lotus cars are truly luxurious by comparison......


    We also need to understand the trend towards tricky gearboxes. Ferrari has just about chucked out manual gearboxes, and if they are not a "proper" performance car I don't know what is.

    Ferrari click-clack manual transmissions, RIP | Car Blogs | Car Magazine Online

    Motoring writers have been spelling the doom of the manual transmission for fifty odd years, and they are still around, but I somehow think they are only sought after by the cheesecutter cap, plaid jacket and leather elbow patch mob, or those who have latent tendencies toward that style of motoring.

    There is a lot of free advice and strong views abound as to the superiority of a manual gearbox over the DSG or EDC or whatever a manufacturer wants to call them, but one wonders whether the advice and views are from practical experience or just a great deal of misinformation by the 8 litre Bentley dinosaurs with their cheesecutter caps and crash boxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The Lotis Exige/Elise are hardly bare bones performance motoring. For that you would need something like a Caterham, where the only options are more performance with more fresh air as you go faster. The Lotus cars are truly luxurious by comparison......


    We also need to understand the trend towards tricky gearboxes. Ferrari has just about chucked out manual gearboxes, and if they are not a "proper" performance car I don't know what is.

    Ferrari click-clack manual transmissions, RIP | Car Blogs | Car Magazine Online

    Motoring writers have been spelling the doom of the manual transmission for fifty odd years, and they are still around, but I somehow think they are only sought after by the cheesecutter cap, plaid jacket and leather elbow patch mob, or those who have latent tendencies toward that style of motoring.

    There is a lot of free advice and strong views abound as to the superiority of a manual gearbox over the DSG or EDC or whatever a manufacturer wants to call them, but one wonders whether the advice and views are from practical experience or just a great deal of misinformation by the 8 litre Bentley dinosaurs with their cheesecutter caps and crash boxes?
    The original Alpine A110 was not bear bones either it had a roof and a heater/demister and kept most of the wind out.

    I think that the Elise/Exige is a good modern comparison to the original A110.
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    You are right, Col, except of course that the A110 used as many parts as possible out of the Regie parts catalogue. I think that the Lotus suspension is a bit more refined!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    You are right, Col, except of course that the A110 used as many parts as possible out of the Regie parts catalogue. I think that the Lotus suspension is a bit more refined!
    Even the suspension in the Alpine A110 was developed over its 15 year life span. It went from swing axles to double wishbone on the rear
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