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    Hi, It's not for sale, and not for wanted, but who know's this car?? My sister was in Australia in 2005. She saw this 12 TS:

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12france View Post
    Hi, It's not for sale, and not for wanted, but who know's this car?? My sister was in Australia in 2005. She saw this 12 TS:
    Moved to the Renault Forum - should have more luck here

    Not too many clues for a car that was seen in 2005, Coffs Harbour? Good luck

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    What is the interest around it? Maybe we can help.

    It's a GL, by the way (1.3 engine).

    Australian TS had the 1.4 engine and the facelift.
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    That 12 is a 12TS, but not as we know it in Australia.

    Being an R1177, and looking like a 12 Automatic too from the badge on the rear, it is of French 12TS specification originally fitted with the 810-06 (for the Automatic) motor, full Jaeger instrumentation including tachometer etc.

    Though being an Australian assembled example, it is known as a 12GL. For Australia, the type R1177 was assembled as a 12TL and 12GL, the difference being mainly in trim. The TL had low back front seats with separate head restraints and the 12GL featured tombstone front seats (as on the pictured car). Also the GL featured different (perforated vinyl) trim, normally a stainless steel strip along the waistline, full wheel covers and more trim in the boot. The 12TS rims on the pictured car are either a later addition from a 12GL Special, or added as an accessory when the car was new, they were not fitted as standard equipment. The Australian 12GL Special was an upmarket 12 which had the 12TS Gordini styled (4.5”) wheel rims, metallic paint, and tinted side window glass as extra standard equipment over the normal 12GL.

    I’ll have a stab with the pictured car, and estimate it as a June 1975 Australian production 12. Also note the windscreen wipers, Renault Australia altered the wiper sweep to suit right hand drive back in 1971, the only right hand drive market to have the wiper sweep changed over.
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    Just sitting here reading all Simons comments and agreeing with everything but you got me on 1 thing. How the f... did you come up with June 75?

    Also just to correct Schlitzaugen for our overseas guests. No Aussie 12 was badged TS. We had TL, GL, XL, 1.4 & Virage
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    It was registered as a 75 model but the registration and insurance were cancelled on 19/08/2009 so unless it has been re-registered under another numberplate it is either sitting unregistered in someone's yard or it has gone to god. Maybe it's reincarnated as one of your Kia's David Cavanagh.

    Ps it's VIN ends in 2394 if that helps, and it was insured with NRMA (CTP) before the rego was cancelled.
    There was no concessions on the rego, so one can assume it was not owned by a pensioner. - my guess would be a student passing through maybe.

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    Thank you for your comments! I hope that this car waits somewhere, that a person deals with she(it) to see her(it) returning in the traffic. I confused(merged) TS and GL, because she has well the look of a French TS, I have the same at the house, and it is for me, the most attractive of RENAULT 12!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    How the f... did you come up with June 75?

    Also just to correct Schlitzaugen for our overseas guests. No Aussie 12 was badged TS. We had TL, GL, XL, 1.4 & Virage

    That reminds me, there is also another Australian variation for the early body R1177, the 12LE (for Limited Edition). Introduced in late 1975, the 12LE was a stripped out model in a single colour of Liquid Amber brown, featuring unpleated vinyl seating based on the low-back/separate head restraint 12TL frame, thin plastic floor coverings (instead of full carpeting on the 12TL and 12GL), no armrests on the doors, just loop type (12 wagon rear door) door pulls and no rubber over riders on the bumpers. However being based on the R1177, it still had the Weber DIR equipped 810-05 motor and Jaeger dash with tachometer.

    Introduced as a price leader for the 12 range, the aim of the 12LE was also to reduce the stock of CKD kits prior to the introduction of the facelifted Renault 12 body in 1976.

    There was also the 12L, though that was based on the R1170, it was in similar stripped spec as the 12LE (but without the tacho and 12TS motor), and introduced in mid-1974.



    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Ps it's VIN ends in 2394 if that helps,
    As for the build date, there are a couple of pointers on the car itself, but it is mostly just the vibe. Scarily though, if the chassis number of the 12 in the pics is 6182394, it would point to a June build date.
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    What were the 12s with silver front grills and headlight surrounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jensen View Post
    What were the 12s with silver front grills and headlight surrounds?
    12XL for a few months with the 1.3 litre motor, then the 12 1.4.
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    I love this forum. There's nowhere else you could get this level of trainspotting-style detail. Simon, you are a deadset legend!
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    BLOODY HELL, what are we goin' to do if we ever lose Simon!!!!!!
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    Was the 12XL the one with the bigger 1.4 crank but still with 73mm pistons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bingham driver View Post
    BLOODY HELL, what are we goin' to do if we ever lose Simon!!!!!!
    Maybe he could do a download of his brainmatter onto disc for archiving purposes.
    Me thinks Simon has an incredibly large resource library, much bigger than mine anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Me thinks Simon has an incredibly large resource library, much bigger than mine anyway.
    Well I would suggest Simon does have an extraordinary memory for detail, and a good library. Whilst at an Alpine/Renault get together in Canberra in 2010? I met Simon and he went on to tell me about how I had broken an engine mount and driveshaft in my 15TS at the 1984 (I think) Jugiong Motorkhana.

    He went on to tell me about us (Queenslanders)removing an engine from a motorkhana special in the paddock and fitting it to a 1.4 that had died on the way down from Brisbane, and had arrived at Jugiong via a towtruck.

    We replaced the driveshaft in the 15 with a spare one the 1.4 owner had, and I stole one of his engine mounts and then got my broken one welded up solid to fit to his car.

    Now no one else in the room would have known this, or even remembered it was me even if they were there, but Simon did. I certainly didn't remember him at the event, but then there were a lot of people standing around watching us piece the cars back together.

    I enjoyed our conversation at the Canberra event very much, and look forward to again meeting with him sometime for a chat. It is great he is around on our forum for factual information about our Renaults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan moore View Post
    broken an engine mount and driveshaft in my 15TS at the 1984 (I think) Jugiong Motorkhana.
    That would have been 1987. I've only been to Jugiong twice, in 1987 and 1988, when there was a humungous storm that blew away half the tents and filled the nearly the other half of them with water.......

    Really though, who could not have ignored that 15TS, it was immaculate. And a mega effort by all those involved to get the car going again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    Me thinks Simon has an incredibly large resource library, much bigger than mine anyway.
    I doubt it, there doesn't seem to be a lot of documentation around (at least I've never seen it) that details a lot of the small differences between the Australian build cars. It is more through messing about with various cars and picking up the various differences between them. I've had 7/1974, 2/1975 and 7/1975 build 12s, all of them having various different equipment and construction techniques. It must have been a nightmare at times given the small volumes assembled here. It must have been like Christmas opening up each CKD batch.

    Attached is a pic of the library, size doesn't really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jensen View Post
    Was the 12XL the one with the bigger 1.4 crank but still with 73mm pistons?
    Yes, that's the one. I've never tried one of those motors out, it would be interesting to compare with the 1.4, which I just don't think revs as sweetly as the 1.3 motor. Almost as if everything it a lot heavier, which it would likely be given the heftier crank, larger clutch etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenimagination View Post
    There's nowhere else you could get this level of trainspotting-style detail.
    There are plenty more people out there who would know a lot more, they just have more important things to do than hang out on AF's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Attached is a pic of the library, size doesn't really matter.
    Is that silver round thing on the top shelf for Sunday drives in the R8G Simon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    I doubt it, there doesn't seem to be a lot of documentation around (at least I've never seen it) that details a lot of the small differences between the Australian build cars. It is more through messing about with various cars and picking up the various differences between them. I've had 7/1974, 2/1975 and 7/1975 build 12s, all of them having various different equipment and construction techniques. It must have been a nightmare at times given the small volumes assembled here. It must have been like Christmas opening up each CKD batch.

    Attached is a pic of the library, size doesn't really matter.
    Thats an impressive library the Simon, my library mainly covers the few cars that I have.

    Anyway keep up the good work, you are a wealth of information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    Is that silver round thing on the top shelf for Sunday drives in the R8G Simon?
    Nah, that's from a previous lifetime. Fortunately The Gorge was, surprisingly, totally clear last Sunday so the old 8G wasn't a mobile chicane as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    my library mainly covers the few cars that I have.
    That was how mine started, then things just seemed to spiral...... There is more saved from the bin there than actually acquired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Being an R1177, and looking like a 12 Automatic too from the badge on the rear, it is of French 12TS specification originally fitted with the 810-06 (for the Automatic) motor, full Jaeger instrumentation including tachometer etc.
    Is there a difference in the engine in the auto model virage motor? what is it? curious

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