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    Hi,
    I'd like to find some tires for my 4CV that are as close to original appearance and size as possible. I'm in CA USA, but I realize they may have to come from far away. Any suggestions, sources?
    The car came with 4 brand new Nankang 165/80 R15. I have 2 mounted to the rear (with the original Michelins still up front). They Nankangs are a pretty tight fit.
    The set of 4 will be for sale once I get new tires.

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    Ah, maybe you are searching for TYRES?

    Longstone Tyres in the UK are probably your best bet. In the recent past many Australian owners have sourced from there.

    Citroen 2cv | Longstone Tyres

    Tell us more about your 2CV. I am sure that will get some surprised looks in Ca.
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    Hi Michael, looks like the caffeine isn't working yet.

    4CV ≠ 2CV ◊ 2

    By tight, is it meant that 15 inch tyres are forced onto a 400mm rim? 135R400s are expensive...
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    Thanks for the replies. Tyres indeed, but it seems my American spell check disagrees.
    Anyhow, I meant that they are very close to fenders, er wings. My tyre guy didn't seem to have any trouble mounting them.

    I may regret saying it, but in this instance price is not an obstacle. It's a 4cv Jolly, I feel it's rarity and value can justify a bit of extra expense.

    Cheers, Alan

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    What was the final word on the rims - 15 inch or 400mm?

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    Addo,
    The tyres say 135 3.80 135 15.
    All the Jollys were 1961, looking around the web it seems there are early (400mm?) and late (15") wheels.
    The spare has a wide whitewall and says Michelin Pilote, the others are Michelin X, I'm guessing the Pilote is original to the car.

    Thanks, Alan

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    I was able to buy some Michelins XZX about 12 yrs ago through my local tyre agent, but in doing so discovered that Michelin run an antique tyre business (based in the UK) or did back then; that took care of some of the "we'll run a batch when we get enough interest" old tyres.

    Maybe worth a call to the USA Michelin agent to see if any of this info is still current, and whether they would be willing to chase it up for you, or at least provide contact details for the UK arm if they still exist. XZX were standard on a number of early 50/60's Renaults but were not whitewall - not sure on the pilote reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by facelnut View Post
    I meant that they are very close to fenders, er wings.
    Cheers, Alan
    Nuh wrong "mudguards" to us.

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    When I looked in preparation for a new set six months ago, 135x15 was available in Michelin ZX, and 145x15 as a Michelin XZX. The X used to be available in 135 and 145 x 15, but doesn't seem to be listed anymore.

    The 165x15 would be marginal on the 4" rims, as well as just looking wrong, but they should be fairly easy to sell on, being suitable for rear engined Volkswagens and early Volvos among others.

    Here are a couple of choices:

    http://www.cokertire.com/brands/michelin-zx.html

    http://www.cokertire.com/brands/michelin-xzx.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Hi Michael, looks like the caffeine isn't working yet.

    4CV ≠ 2CV ◊ 2

    By tight, is it meant that 15 inch tyres are forced onto a 400mm rim? 135R400s are expensive...
    Hmm, I can't worm out of this one can I Addo? Whilst 2CV tyres are on the right track to fit a 4CV I then blathered on about 2CV pics.

    OK, I will blame the lack of caffeine, thanks.

    I ran my 4CV on 165x15 and whist it looks very wrong it handled fine.
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    Between 2CV's and Tires this tread is going as per usual.

    I inquired about Michelin tyres three years ago while in Brissy for my Floride and was quoted $400 a corner, not sure if still available but they were too expensive for me at the time so I went with Nankang which I do not recommend.
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    You want original? Then Simon's advice gives you options & 135/80-15 (or 380 mm) ZX is as close as you'll get. My memory is that you can get them in tubeless (have a look at Longstones's site) & I'd recommend that (reasons on request & it doesn't matter that you don't have ridged "safety rims").

    Mind you, the ZX is an awful wet tire/tyre but I got the impression that you were more interested in appearance.

    If I'm wrong, then my choice of tire/tyre on a standard rim is an early Smart front size: 145/65-15 in Continental's EcoContact EP. It's an obsolescent type but still much better gripping than anything else in a narrow-ish 15"/380mm tire/tyre.

    cheers! Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Between 2CV's and Tires this tread is going as per usual.

    I inquired about Michelin tyres three years ago while in Brissy for my Floride and was quoted $400 a corner, not sure if still available but they were too expensive for me at the time so I went with Nankang which I do not recommend.
    Well maybe a little circuitous, but I think the Longstone supplied 135/15 Michelins are more relevant to the OP (in California) than the Brisbane price! We all know Australian prices for classic tyres tends to be inflated and I am sude that there is little demand for such tiny tyre sizes in the USA, but Longstone have been recommended by many AussieFrogs members for their price and service.
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    I just have to thank you ALL for the information.
    It seems my best bet are the 135SR15 ZX from Coker. Thanks Simon.
    Summit racing sells Coker tires with no tax and free shipping (at least in the USA), at Coker's price.

    Since this is a Jolly, I don't expect EVER to have it out in inclement weather, and with wicker seats, and no seatbelts, or DOORS, I don't think any passengers would appreciate me exploring the cornering limits of a 4CV.

    Cheers, Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by facelnut View Post
    I just have to thank you ALL for the information.
    It seems my best bet are the 135SR15 ZX from Coker. Thanks Simon.
    Summit racing sells Coker tires with no tax and free shipping (at least in the USA), at Coker's price.

    Since this is a Jolly, I don't expect EVER to have it out in inclement weather, and with wicker seats, and no seatbelts, or DOORS, I don't think any passengers would appreciate me exploring the cornering limits of a 4CV.

    Cheers, Alan
    It is wonderful that you have a Jolly! I agree re the tyre choice, particularly given the use it will get. At least the new ones are made with a more modern compound.

    Presume you are a member of RCCNA? Or has this question been asked before?

    Best wishes

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    <snip>At least the new ones are made with a more modern compound.
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    A good thing? Yes. Mind you, any modern Michelin beneath the PS3 has a crap compound (although the recent Euro tyre labeling for wet braking brought about some reformulation by quite a few previously dubious manufactures).

    cheers! Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    It is wonderful that you have a Jolly! I agree re the tyre choice, particularly given the use it will get. At least the new ones are made with a more modern compound.

    Presume you are a member of RCCNA? Or has this question been asked before?

    Best wishes

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    No, Haven't joined. The website doesn't seem to get much traffic. I get the impression you think it would be good to join?

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    The RCCNA attend a few shows each year. Great chance to show off your car to other Reno enthuisists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    Ah, maybe you are searching for TYRES?

    Longstone Tyres in the UK are probably your best bet. In the recent past many Australian owners have sourced from there.

    Citroen 2cv | Longstone Tyres

    Tell us more about your 2CV. I am sure that will get some surprised looks in Ca.
    Bit hard Michael. 300 million Americans and 30 million Canadians do use "tires". OK, we don't.....

    Good thread of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by facelnut View Post
    no, haven't joined. The website doesn't seem to get much traffic. I get the impression you think it would be good to join?
    absolutely good!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    A good thing? Yes. Mind you, any modern Michelin beneath the PS3 has a crap compound (although the recent Euro tyre labeling for wet braking brought about some reformulation by quite a few previously dubious manufactures).

    cheers! Peter
    As ever Peter, I defer on that one.

    Cheers!
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