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    I found some old invoices in a manual I swapped a while ago. It’ll be interesting to see if the car is still around, if so post up a pic of the car and ID plate and I’ll send them through to the current owner to add to the history of their car.

    Mrs Grace Warner of Macquarie St Roseville in NSW purchased a used 1956 Renault 750 from York Motors at 101-111 William St Sydney on 5 December 1959.

    Chassis number: 2460887
    Engine number: 574208
    Registered number: BEW 504

    The purchase price was £375 (2013 equivalent $10,525), with £1 registration transfer fee ($28.07, 2013 equivalent) and threepenny stamp duty on the transaction.

    The list price of a new Renault 750 at the time was circa £750 (inc tax) for a Thriftmaster or £775 (inc tax) for a 750 Deluxe.

    The next invoice is dated 17 December 1964.

    Mr Johns took the car to Town and Country Motors, 425 Church St Parramatta. “The Renault Specialists” checked the car over, adjusted the brakes, issued a registration certificate and straightened the LHF wheel rim at a cost of £2.8.0 ($74.34, 2013 equivalent) with 10 shillings ($12.82) for the registration certificate.

    The car was back into “The Renault Specialists” on 24 December 1964 at a mileage of 46,822 for the following work: (figures in brackets are the 2013 monetary equivalent)

    Remove front brake drums, skim on lathe, reline shoes, reassemble and adjust £6.4.0 ($158.93)

    Remove rear brake drums, reline shoes, fit new oil seals both sides, reassemble and adjust. £6.17.0 ($175.60)

    Fit new semi-sealed beams to both headlights £4.0.0 ($102.54)

    Full engine tune including tappets and fit new points £2.9.9 ($63.77)

    Balance both front wheels £1.13.0 ($42.30)

    Charge battery and tighten connections to starter, tighten up gearbox/diff bolts (Check leakage of oil from differential plate, all studs were loose) £0.15.0 ($19.23)

    Lubrication: Engine oil £0.7.4 ($9.40), Diff oil £0.3.0 ($3.85), Molyspeed £0.10.0 ($12.82).

    The total cost of the service £23.14.1 ($607.65)


    Further work was carried out by Epping Motors (Total), Cnr Kent and Bridge Streets Epping on 21 December 1966, by which time prices were in decimal. (With prices in brackets the 2013 equivalent)

    Remove and replace head, decoke and grind valves, renew cylinder sleeve gaskets and renew timing gear cost $45.00 ($540.00)

    Plus parts:

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    Oil Seal $1.13 ($13.56)
    Timing Gear $9.00 ($108.00)
    Gaskets $0.30 ($3.60)
    Sleeve seals $1.20 ($14.40)
    Plugs $3.30 ($39.60)
    Curty gasket $0.45 ($5.40)
    VRS set $4.50 ($54.00)
    Oil $0.95 ($11.40)

    Remove all wheels, check and adjust brakes $7.50 ($90.00)

    Calculating to a total cost of $73.33 ($879.96)

    I found it interesting to note that whilst the overall tasks of servicing a car have changed, some of the costs would appear to be similar to today. Though I’d be interested to know what plugs were used for the $3.30 cost, perhaps Golden Lodge for extra oomph in conjunction with the Molyspeed……..
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    No luck it seems for the 750 listed above, so we'll try these two.

    A Renault 16 NSW rego NB159, featured on the hoist at the opening of the new Albury Motors (Mercedes/Peugeot/Renault dealers) workshop back in 1971.

    And a Renault 10 NSW rego JM810, featured on the shock absorber testing rig at the opening of Renault Australias new diagnostic service facility at Rosebery in NSW back in 1972.
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    Hi Simon, Frank from 4CV Register, just saw your post about the 4CV, not sure how I missed it when you first posted it on the board. I went through our list and the car still survives in Queensland now. I have contacted the owner and emailed the link to this posting. He will pm you through this post. He is in the process of restoring the car and is going to our next Muster in Forbes at Easter but won't quite have the car finished. Thanks for the great information, the owner was thrilled when I told him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renojet View Post
    I went through our list and the car still survives in Queensland now. I have contacted the owner and emailed the link to this posting. He will pm you through this post. He is in the process of restoring the car and is going to our next Muster in Forbes at Easter but won't quite have the car finished. Thanks for the great information, the owner was thrilled when I told him.
    Excellent news, good to have a match! However, like any €ₓ₸⃝R₮ίᴑᴺ effort - that I've seen on TV anyway - don't forget the rules. A pic of the car and its ID plate are required to be posted up. :-)
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    Hi Simon, here are the details of the 4CV you have the receipts for, details and photos attached. Contact details for owner on pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    A Renault 16 NSW rego NB159, featured on the hoist at the opening of the new Albury Motors (Mercedes/Peugeot/Renault dealers) workshop back in 1971.

    And a Renault 10 NSW rego JM810, featured on the shock absorber testing rig at the opening of Renault Australias new diagnostic service facility at Rosebery in NSW back in 1972.
    Are there any public historical records of car IDs and regos that can be searched online or otherwise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post
    Are there any public historical records of car IDs and regos that can be searched online or otherwise?
    Not as far as I know, although searching of plates in some states does return details of more recent registrations. For instance an old 12 of mine is still listed as unregistered when it left NSW for SA back in 1992, but something like BIN-194 (ex-works 8G from the 1970's) isn't listed and is probably on a paper record at best if it fell out of rego a long time ago.

    I still find it strange that it is easier to find out who owns and owes what on real estate (even from the 19th Century) than researching the history of a car. I know, they are both different objects, and real estate has always been geared up for searching the details, but I would have thought there would be a few dollars for the authorities in vehicle genealogy nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renojet View Post
    Hi Simon, here are the details of the 4CV you have the receipts for, details and photos attached. Contact details for owner on pm.
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    I've posted on the paperwork for the car, so the owner should receive the mail likely tomorrow or Friday. But I reckon they have done a ripper job on that little 750, and am glad both a before and after pic have been posted. As with 59 Floride and his Fregate, it really is great to see the love and dedication lavished on these cars.
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    I'm going to be a bit self-indulgent in this thread, and see if we can find a non-Frenchy in this cosmopolitan community.

    I'm guessing this will be a real long shot, finding the old family BMW 1800 from 40 years ago.

    The first owner purchased it in Germany, then travelled through Europe and Africa before the car was shipped back to Australia. It was traded in on a new BMW at Bill Richards Motors, 72 Hampstead Rd Broadview SA, and purchased by my Dad in June 1971 with 46,580 miles on the clock, carried out the usual family duty activities and was the first car where I saw (a probably optimistic) 100mph on the clock. It was sold in December 1974 with 75,700 miles on the clock, when a station wagon was required. The car was sold with the original owners' diary documenting its trip through Europe and Africa, as well as all delivery/handbooks and the factory BMW 1500/1800 workshop manual.

    It has popped up in a couple of other caryards over the passing years, firstly with a black painted grille, then reupholstered front seats. Last seen in the Trading Post about ten years ago, for $500, but when I called it had been sold. RPE-672 is listed unregistered on the SA Ezyreg database, so at best it is undergoing a full nut and bolt resto, or being turned into an 1800TISA replica, or at worst, it has ended up at U-Pull-It like the old family 3.0Sa did 16 years after that was sold.

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    Are you baiting me, or just telling us that anything goes in the Renault Forum? I feel your post might have been better placed in the Toad Pond "Where is it now" Thread.

    I and many others might also start wondering where all our previously owned non Renault cars are...........................
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    What is the chances of that!
    Someone on aussieexotics is looking for this exact same car!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    What is the chances of that!
    Someone on aussieexotics is looking for this exact same car!!!!
    No success there, so I thought I'd try here as well :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Are you baiting me, or just telling us that anything goes in the Renault Forum? I feel your post might have been better placed in the Toad Pond "Where is it now" Thread.

    I and many others might also start wondering where all our previously owned non Renault cars are...........................
    I'd love to know where my grandfather's bugatti ended up...
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    Icon14 Good to see this thread..and the success so far

    I understand that much of what remained of the early historical registration motor registration records, passed into the hands of the Association of motoring clubs, unfortunately they seem to have made a money making exercise out of the possession of those records, rather than such valuable historic information passing on to the Public Records Office, where anyone for no fee whatsoever can search and research such records.

    I assist my wife in genealogical research and really appreciate the information and records that have been preserved, so feel strongly about anyone profiting from those public records. I would certainly oppose public records of any sort passing into private hands even motoring clubs, for them to demand money for something that should be available. Maybe I am judging them harshly but I was surprised at the fee scale that I saw a few years back for some simple details.

    I was lucky to have the opportunity to personally search the old card files at the Victorian Motor Registration Branch many years back, there is a wealth of information that can help in tracing vehicles, or families who at one time possessed certain vehicles. There are gaps in the card system owing to the introduction of the practice of selling personalized plates like JP 000 as an example, because once the new personalised plate was sold the old card was destroyed (or should have been destroyed!!)

    Someone more recently connected to the Association might be able to give the full details of what records they hold and the fees they charge for searching them. I think there are some self? imposed restriction on some information. Perhaps they could explain more (Ron?)

    I do have an early registration book that was used by VP for determining the series of engine and chassis numbers for early registrations relative to different makes, while that is helpful in some cases, it lacks the personal information. It was a sad day that saw the end of the long registration papers that went with earlier cars and had the previous owners, their address and sometimes telephone numbers recorded in owner sequence since the car was first registered by the car firm. I have a few of these for my early cars and of course the early Renault owners packet that often came with various Fuego's had a wealth of owner information and the plastic folder was useful for storing receipts for work done on the car as well as the official service record, some times that information will reveal changes in the odometer reading, very different to the one declared when you bought it!!

    Nice to see the reconnection going on to restoration of cars and reuniting historical information - well done Simon.

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    I have amongst my Renault collection a complete and running 1921 Renault IM Roadster for which I have some registration papers from 1933 on. The car spent its life in Victoria with original Reg Vic31-776 which changed by 1956 to VicGME-835. I aquired the car at auction in Bendigo 1989. I also know that sometime prior to 1933 it was owned by AE Pretty. Can anyone shed any further light on the early owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenM View Post
    I have amongst my Renault collection a complete and running 1921 Renault IM Roadster for which I have some registration papers from 1933 on.
    Any chance of a piccie? As the car sounds like a beauty! Also, if available, it might be worth mentioning a district or suburb where AE Pretty was located, it may ring a bell with someone. Another lead may be the Vintage Drivers Club in Victoria, they may have some pictures or details when the car was around.
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    Hello Simon, AE Pretty (Arthur) was an Acchitect from Melbourne in 1930s and spent some time in Bendigo. I will take some photos in the near furure. The car is as I purchased it all together with the previous done quite a bit of body work and it seems to run quite well.

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