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    Default Megane 2 steering rack - stuffed at 40K kms...

    Finally pinpointed the increasingly sloppy handling, and the worsening clunk - pinion wear. :disappear:

    Anyone tried to adjust these? Its been like this mostly since I got it at 14K kms (and a knock when hitting a bump when turning right under power that I couldn't identify), but its now worsened to the point where the issue has been identifiable. Might see if Renault will help...

    I put it on the ramps and crawled underneath while my lovely assistant wiggled the wheel - the amount of flex in the rack on its mounting was eye opening. Its not rubber mounted, its casting in bolted directly to the crossmember - all the flex is in the alloy casting of the rack housing. Pretty pissweak engineering...

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    Adjust? Won't they have a pinion counterload set by the spring under that cover plate?

    On some racks I have seen the mounting bolts bottom out before they are actually clamping tight - they fouled on the rack housing, which gave the impression of tightness.

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    These are bolts through with captive nuts - rack on top of the crossmember, bolt from the top and captive nut underneath. Can see the bolt coming through, I can't budge it. Clunk is clearly in the slop of the pinion/rack.

    All the racks I've encountered could have the plunger adjusted - either with shims or by turning the threaded cap.

    Would you believe that I have to remove the rack to access said plunger...? Grrr. Maybe it was just not done right at the steering rack factory, or maybe the plunger is made of the same cheese the left rack bush is. Or maybe its just rooted.

    Either way, I have to drop the whole bloody subframe and rack to find out.

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    I dismantled the bent rack from a well-known rolled Meggy, for scrap. From memory you needed some pretty specialised tools to get it apart the proper way and the threaded in cap was soft pressed metal. I used a grinder with slitting disc.

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    This news does not surprise me.... Have managed to find zero information on servicing them, lots of changeover reconditioning.

    Feels like I should acquire a good rack before pulling this one out - don't really want to do it twice and really don't want it off the road for weeks after I stuff the rack even more fiddling with it!

    Also found lots of stories of them being swapped out in fairly new cars under warranty. Not the world's best assembled machine...

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    I've just scanned through 107 pages on this site, in a country where they have sold just a few more Meganes than in Australia without finding one steering rack topic. Do you reckon somebody has biffed a front wheel on your car a bit hard?
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Mine in the RS megane was completely stuffed after 64,000km.

    Changed tie rods myself after being told they were the issue at a roadworthy.. They weren't the problem and the play in the rack was still there.

    I sold the car before I solved the problem. The wear wasn't bad enough that it was detectable while driving- though it may have shown up had I have changed the rack and driven them back to back.

    Good luck..

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    Quote Originally Posted by renault12 View Post
    Mine in the RS megane was completely stuffed after 64,000km..............The wear wasn't bad enough that it was detectable while driving.............
    All due respect mate, these two statements are somewhat contradictory.
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    Default Megane 2 steering rack - stuffed at 40K kms...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    All due respect mate, these two statements are somewhat contradictory.
    Semantics. I apologise.. From what I see of your posts they're an important part of your forum activity.

    I should have stated that the wear was sufficient to be a roadworthy check failure.

    The wear did not appear to alter the way the car drove, although refer to my previous qualifier that it may have been evident had the car have been driven with a new rack. Anyhow, good luck haakon. You're certainly not the only one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Megane - Renault Forums :: Independent Renault forum

    I've just scanned through 107 pages on this site, in a country where they have sold just a few more Meganes than in Australia without finding one steering rack topic. Do you reckon somebody has biffed a front wheel on your car a bit hard?
    Try the assorted renaultsport forums and meganeownersclub - many topics about replaced racks. A lot of them seem to get replaced for the nylon left rack end bush i already replaced (not an officially replaceable separate part from Renault).

    From underneath with the wheel being wiggled, mine is way more clunky than I expected. Its certainly noticeable to me that the handling is wayward, very skittish and tram lining. I don't drive it much though, and Kirsty hasn't really noticed it on her daily commute in it - some of us are fussier

    But its only going to get worse, and I'm certainly not investing in new tyres before its fixed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renault12 View Post
    Mine in the RS megane was completely stuffed after 64,000km.
    It doesn't bode well for the notion of a getting a good s/h one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by renault12 View Post
    Semantics. I apologise.. From what I see of your posts they're an important part of your forum activity.

    I should have stated that the wear was sufficient to be a roadworthy check failure.

    The wear did not appear to alter the way the car drove, although refer to my previous qualifier that it may have been evident had the car have been driven with a new rack. Anyhow, good luck haakon. You're certainly not the only one!
    How it could be undetectable when driving and a roadworthy fault at the same time indicates some confusion. Never let it be said that you didn't say it.
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    Looks like worst case will be a Remy branded reconditioned rack from the UK for $450 landed. That's not so bad I think, although it is just a plain manual rack so not a lot to them...

    Sigh. I have no enthusiasm for pulling out large heavy car parts in this weather.
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    Mine started to make a clunk about 100,000 km. The car is 220,000 km and I keep telling myself to get it fixed - still it seems to drive OK?
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    I must confess I've wondered whether these things would ever make it to those sort of KMs!

    Mine is a chore to drive. It tramlines, is horribly vague (even for a Megane), really hard to place on the road in tight traffic. Plus it shreds tyres...

    Renault dealer reckons its worth putting in a goodwill claim, although I have my doubts! But I'll let them do it - if they can bring the job down to around $500, it will save me spending a day under the car and I'll get a new one.

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    Haakon

    It sounds like you have a wheel alignment problem.
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    Haakon

    It sounds like you have a wheel alignment problem.
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    Been there, done that. Not only a couple of shop alignments, but a fair bit of experimentation with varying degrees of toe out and in. Nothing cured it.

    There is also an almighty clunking from the pinion I can feel it taking up the slack from straight ahead position and the pinion climbing onto the next tooth as it is rotated - it makes for an annoying on-off feeling to the steering on the highway...
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    Sounds dangerous to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    Sounds dangerous to me!
    Not in a "its about to lose connection with the wheels" sort of dangerous, but its certainly a chore to maintain a clean line with...

    I am sure a lot of drivers wouldn't notice or care though.

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    Mine has just developed this issue too, about to click 150 Kms... Hope to get a quote this week. Will keep you posted.

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    Mine was "only" the inner rack end... The plastic in the ball has totally disintegrated. Had it replaced this week. Much better with less noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markb2501 View Post
    Mine was "only" the inner rack end... The plastic in the ball has totally disintegrated. Had it replaced this week. Much better with less noise.
    Mine are already new... The car is going into the dealer on Wednesday for them to assess and put in a "goodwill" claim with Renault. Im pretty sure I know how that will go, but they offered to give it at a shot.
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    Good luck Haakon, once I get rid of the Chinese tyres which are currently on the car (with Michelins, though a little open to suggestions), it will corner on rails. The person who had the car prior to I did a great job on maintenance but chose poorly on the tyres. Apparently they were the only ones in his budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    Mine are already new... The car is going into the dealer on Wednesday for them to assess and put in a "goodwill" claim with Renault. Im pretty sure I know how that will go, but they offered to give it at a shot.
    Good luck Haakon, once I get rid of the Chinese tyres which are currently on the car (with Michelins, though a little open to suggestions), it will corner on rails. The person who had the car prior to I did a great job on maintenance but chose poorly on the tyres. Apparently they were the only ones in his budget.

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