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    Hi all,

    We're contemplating a fleet adjustment in the form of a low mileage, manual 2005 Scenic instead of the much older 306.

    Does anyone have serious advice on issues to check please?

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    The fact it's manual I guess means expression?
    We had a 2002 dynamique auto and loved it. No major issues during the original owner or our tenure.
    It met it's untimely demise at the hands of an inattentive P Plater and was replaced with an 07 Scenic II in 2009.
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    Timing belt replacement and Crankshaft pully condition both of these are problematic if not changed out

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    Also check on the regularity of transmission fluid changes, the trans fluid apparently never needs to be replaced. However shift quality suffers over time, so presumably the fluid is deteriorating. Once it is changed the shift improves, so I consider regular changes, usually every 18 months, is fairly cheap insurance.
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    And not to mention possible faulty dashboard displays.
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    I believe John said its a manual!!

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    Thanks All. Yes, manual. 2.0 16V petrol.

    Yes - changing cambelt, idler pulleys and main crankshaft pulley seems a must unless done relatively recently. The only other bad word I get is the odd coilpack failure.

    Bit of a change from the 306, but at 19 years and 185,000 km it has had a pretty good run - our only new car ever.

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    G'day, I have a Rx4 and in general very happy with it. I do all my on maintenance, had some problems recently and after replacing fuel pump, ignition packs, timing belt, spark plugs, top dead centre sender, still had issues with power and revving over 2000 rpms. Took it to an electronic injection specialist and found that the throttle sensor was breaking down. Replaced it and has never missed a beet. As a matter of caution always check your rubber boots as they are responsible to keep oil in the gear box. I highly recommend the scenic for being such a versatile vehicle. Hope you have a ball with the Scenic. Cheers RT

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Yes, manual. 2.0 16V petrol.
    Same rules apply with the trans fluid, regardless of auto or manual.
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    Well, thanks for the advice back then. We've had it for a very pleasant year now. Hasn't missed a beat and really does the job for which it was purchased.

    The cabin ventilation fan has just died, no doubt the control module and no doubt buried deep. But it is 11 years old, so we aren't expecting perfection.

    Any ideas about cleaning some very sticky plastic on the backing plates for the internal door handles - suddenly getting disgusting. I'm thinking Sard soap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Any ideas about cleaning some very sticky plastic on the backing plates for the internal door handles - suddenly getting disgusting. I'm thinking Sard soap.
    Try eucalyptus oil, it's been used with success on other non-Renault sticky modern plastics. As usual though, try on an inconspicuous spot first, just to make sure it doesn't affect it adversely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    The cabin ventilation fan has just died, no doubt the control module and no doubt buried deep. But it is 11 years old, so we aren't expecting perfection.
    John, our series I Scenic had vent fan failure, caused by water entry from left hand side plenum chamber (under the wipers. There is a drain at each side which blocks with dust/water/mud and water overflows into heater fan which has no drain hole. I remember others have had this, not uncommon.
    I was able to repair mine after a bit of trouble removing the fan without dismantling the dash, and if it is a series I I know the secret to removing it, but if it is a series II it may be similar.
    In my case, the whole brush/commutator end of the fan motor was submerged in water. It wasn't the module.

    May be able to get together if you are interested in a helping hand. I have many photos of my repair on the series I which may at least be very similar, if yours is a II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Try eucalyptus oil, it's been used with success on other non-Renault sticky modern plastics. As usual though, try on an inconspicuous spot first, just to make sure it doesn't affect it adversely.
    Thanks Simon. Hadn't thought of that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman View Post
    John, our series I Scenic had vent fan failure, caused by water entry from left hand side plenum chamber (under the wipers. There is a drain at each side which blocks with dust/water/mud and water overflows into heater fan which has no drain hole. I remember others have had this, not uncommon.
    I was able to repair mine after a bit of trouble removing the fan without dismantling the dash, and if it is a series I I know the secret to removing it, but if it is a series II it may be similar.
    In my case, the whole brush/commutator end of the fan motor was submerged in water. It wasn't the module.

    May be able to get together if you are interested in a helping hand. I have many photos of my repair on the series I which may at least be very similar, if yours is a II.

    Many thanks for that - both information and offer. I'll check that drainage - pretty sure it isn't as the car is parked under cover practically the whole time, but you never know of course.

    Next stop is to read the workshop manual, which so far has seemed quite good. This might be one of those "pay for it jobs", but we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Try eucalyptus oil, it's been used with success on other non-Renault sticky modern plastics. As usual though, try on an inconspicuous spot first, just to make sure it doesn't affect it adversely.
    Thanks Simon. Worked a treat, with plenty of elbow grease. Much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Many thanks for that - both information and offer. I'll check that drainage - pretty sure it isn't as the car is parked under cover practically the whole time, but you never know of course. Next stop is to read the workshop manual, which so far has seemed quite good. This might be one of those "pay for it jobs", but we'll see. Regards
    Thanks again for the information and offer. I read the manual, looked at the dash again, and decided to pay to get it done. Corrado at Eurocare. Two hours' labour rather than mine suited me well. ("I've done a few of them" he commented.)

    It was the control module by the way and now my better half has a heater/demister in time for the current cold weather.

    I'll tackle most things but on a car used every day and new by our standards and behind the plastic I don't mind paying. I wimped out on the Peugeot heater radiator too, and have no regrets on that score. In our experience, hardly anything goes wrong that is easily accessible on modern cars. Actually, hardly anything goes wrong on modern cars in our experience, come to think of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    In our experience, hardly anything goes wrong that is easily accessible on modern cars. Actually, hardly anything goes wrong on modern cars in our experience, come to think of it.

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    Just the other day mom asked me is she should drop her NRMA road service.
    Kenneth!!!!!

    I cant stand the NRMA anyway, she doesn't drive a french car and her car is 3 years old, so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to waste money for a breakdown service when there is about a 10000000 to one chance of not getting home.

    Breaking down is so 'last century'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Just the other day mom asked me is she should drop her NRMA road service. Kenneth!!!!! I cant stand the NRMA anyway, she doesn't drive a french car and her car is 3 years old, so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to waste money for a breakdown service when there is about a 10000000 to one chance of not getting home. Breaking down is so 'last century'. Jo jo
    I suspect the main reason road service exists these days is for misbehaving immobilisers (my NON-French Australian fitted immobiliser is the only thing ever to stop the Xantia, necessitating road service, and that in an airport carpark, heading the "out" queue at a downhill gate) and the majority of people who don't seem to know how to change a wheel (which they call a tyre ). We have it, just for daughter and wife, and it has been rarely used apart from a couple of inexplicable CX ignition failures (before the 123 was installed) and a few flat batteries on the old BX when my daughter didn't use it from one month to the next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Just the other day mom asked me is she should drop her NRMA road service.
    Kenneth!!!!!

    I cant stand the NRMA anyway, she doesn't drive a french car and her car is 3 years old, so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to waste money for a breakdown service when there is about a 10000000 to one chance of not getting home.

    Breaking down is so 'last century'.

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    Many modern cars offer Roadside Assist thrown in with the warranty. So paying for NRMA /RACV service membership is a waste of money during the warranty period anyway.

    Modern cars are pretty reliable as you say.

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