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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    Thanks Graham, I didn't think of that.
    That said, I would prefer a 12 volt system but I don't know if I could get a 12v starter to suit the Fregate (onybody..). [/QUOTE]

    Hi Floride
    In previous times it was accepted that a 6v starter works OK when converting to 12v . The previso is you treat it correctly by not cranking continuously for too long. Give it some cooling time between cranks.

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    Actually we usually do crank any starter more than the 'book' says, not resting it between short cranks and they last OK.
    Good luck Jaahn

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    Thanks for that pearl Jaahn. If I'm any good as a mechanic the car should start instantly without continuous cranking...no pressure there tho

    This car has the original manual starter solenoid operated by a pull knob on the dash. Exciting times ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    This car has the original manual starter solenoid operated by a pull knob on the dash. Exciting times ahead.
    I love that; gives the real old car feel about it. My 4CV had a lever behind the handbrake for the starter, very cool Mind you, I crank started that car more than anything else, couldn't afford a new battery for it being a 9 year old whipper snapper at the time and mowing the neighbours lawn didn't pay that well

    Back to the starter. My mates VW beetle had 12 volts going through its 6V starter for years without trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    Do you know if the Grand Pavlova had the same oval plate number as mine R1101?
    Your R1101 is an interim year Hi-power (77bhp), Hi-compression (7.0:1), 88mm bore 2.14-litre motor for the 1956 French model year. (R1100 was the early 6.6:1 compression Fregate, R1102 was the 2-litre Caravelle from 1957, R1103 with the all-synchro gearbox and 2.14 litre motor, with the R1104 being the Transfluide versions)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Your R1101 is an interim year Hi-power (62bhp), Hi-compression (7.0:1), 85mm bore 2-litre motor for the 1955 French model year. The Grand Pavlova with the Big Bore 'Etendard' 2.14 litre motor was introduced for the French 1956 model year, when the type designation changed to R1103. (R1100 was the early 6.6:1 compression Fregate, R1102 was the 2-litre Caravelle from 1956, with R1104 being the Transfluide versions)

    Gees Simon you sure are a fountain of information..

    My diamond plate number is 2410355 and the engine type is 671.1 with 88X88 bore and stroke. I have no way of knowing if that is the original engine or not but it is the only one I have.

    If my math is correct...

    pi x r2 x stroke x no.of cylinders

    3.142 x 44 x 44 x 88 x 4 =2141185.024 mm3

    = 2.14 litres
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    What are your thoughts on going metallic with a splash of chrome like this? Maybe a bone leather or velour interior? - scuse the 54 Chev, I looked to them yanky folk for more colour options/combinations on this style of car ...



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    John,
    No doubt that's a bitchin ride powered by all Chev gear and would be right at home in Yanksville but I have almost made my final decision re. color and trims. Thanks for the suggestion keep em coming..

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    Colours are a personal choice and looking at your spectacular exotic European sports car, I have no doubt you'll get it looking very nice indeed

    Here's a tidy engine bay for some inspiration ....

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    That is a very tidy engine bay and still has the stencil.

    With my so-far limited knowledge of things fregate I can see a couple of parts that don't belong in there, namely the r12 radiator cap and the coolant bottle, but don't worry because I'm sure I'll have a few ring-ins as well.

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    If you are careful removing engine bay paint you may find the original code.

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    What do y'all think about this bone color ...?

    http://www.oldtimerfarm.be/fr/voitur...t-fregate-.php

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    It looks a nice original Fregate in the advert, but hearing aid beige isn't a colour I'd use if starting from a blank canvas. It looks too much like cheap model to me, particularly in single tone.

    My thought would be say a duck-egg blue roof with royal blue body, the darker body colour setting off the curves and chrome trim. Then have pale grey trim (probably similar to what the car has now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    It looks a nice original Fregate in the advert, but hearing aid beige isn't a colour I'd use if starting from a blank canvas. It looks too much like cheap model to me, particularly in single tone.

    My thought would be say a duck-egg blue roof with royal blue body, the darker body colour setting off the curves and chrome trim. Then have pale grey trim (probably similar to what the car has now).

    Yes I vote for your colour scheme Simon

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    That is a very tidy engine bay and still has the stencil.

    With my so-far limited knowledge of things fregate I can see a couple of parts that don't belong in there, namely the r12 radiator cap and the coolant bottle, but don't worry because I'm sure I'll have a few ring-ins as well.
    Here's another, a Chapron near Paris, photographed at about 0 degrees C a couple of years ago.

    I know I've posted them before, but this is a good place to do it again. It is a Transfluide car too. Gorgeous in its way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    It looks a nice original Fregate in the advert, but hearing aid beige isn't a colour I'd use if starting from a blank canvas. It looks too much like cheap model to me, particularly in single tone.

    My thought would be say a duck-egg blue roof with royal blue body, the darker body colour setting off the curves and chrome trim. Then have pale grey trim (probably similar to what the car has now).
    I used to know a ginger headed house painter and his mates called him 'Duck egg blue'..but I digress.

    I haven't been able to find any examples of the color scheme you suggested but it does have merit, I'll see if I can do a bit of photo shopping and get a clearer idea. I don't really want to draw any attention to the big bulbous roofline.

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    OK, just to suggest a starting point for the colours. Try either Chalet Blue or French Grey for the roof, these are FJ Holden colours, so should be around on the net somewhere. The starting point for the body could be your Floride blue, though I was thinking a touch darker.
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    I actually don't mind a single color blue like this, the bling will come from the highly polished trims, hubcaps and grille..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    I actually don't mind a single color blue like this, the bling will come from the highly polished trims, hubcaps and grille..

    Winner! Blue is great
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    Alrighty then we have Sunroof, Simon, J-man and myself sold on blue, that'll mean I have two blue cars which is okay by me.

    Now I just have to decide on a shade.

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    I like the last one except with shiny hubcaps and darker rims, and being a single color the daggy roof line looks less conspicuous...

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    Bravo! A big yes to the last one too, and agreed, chrome hub caps would be much better. That would look/looks really nice and I don't think two tone is necessary. It's ok two tone but I prefer the last option, but that's just this little black ducks opinion
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    Post 90, black on black with all the shiny bits and the rear wheel covers.

    A full black Floride is my ultimate in Florides so it might explain why I like the black Fregate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Post 90, black on black with all the shiny bits and the rear wheel covers.

    A full black Floride is my ultimate in Florides so it might explain why I like the black Fregate.
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    No.6 That is very close to the same colour as mine. Hate the wheels and hub caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    I like the last one except with shiny hubcaps and darker rims, and being a single color the daggy roof line looks less conspicuous...
    That was the sort of blue I was thinking off. Single or two tone is no real problem, I was just thinking two tone suits the era, and the Amiral version, the roof being very pale blue or pale grey (much paler than the blue on the 750 in the pic).

    One other thing as well, don't use the CIPA (Renault 12/16) type door mirrors, to me they just look wrong on the Fregates you have pictured. Too modern, a nice simple round one would suit better if you want to fit a door mirror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    One other thing as well, don't use the CIPA (Renault 12/16) type door mirrors, to me they just look wrong on the Fregates you have pictured. Too modern, a nice simple round one would suit better if you want to fit a door mirror.
    Gee wiz Simon, you're a fussy bugger! Me too! The mirrors need to be round. Like a Dauphine, everything is rounded on a Fregate and round mirrors would suit the era and the body shape.
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