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    Colin says, Colin reckons?
    Would be nice to see Colin's own comments here on AussieFrogs.

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    Attached as a PDF is a timeline list of Renault prices from 1947 to 1980. Also included on the list are Holden prices over the same period to give a benchmark to the Renault prices.
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    Nice to see this coming together Simon in one place. Makes it much easier for any casual researcher, and the opportunity to add detail, memories and photographs is invaluable. I hope you have all source documents in a safe place, as it would be a shame to lose this reference.

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    Default Renault 12GL Australian badges

    On its introduction in June 1972, the Australian Renault 12GL was the most luxurious Renault 12 in the world, with its tachometer, perforated vinyl seats, protector strips and red line Dunlop radial tyres.

    It also featured unique to Australia badges, based on the Renault Competition logo of the time, on the front mudguards, boot lid, timber gear knob, and steering wheel boss. However the Australian graphic designers at Whelan Industries failed to grasp the significance of the original design. The badge on the left hand side having the correct French Tricolour (bleu – blanc – rouge) logo, whilst the badge on the right hand side and on the steering wheel boss was reversed to rouge – blanc – bleu.

    By 1973 when the new Vasarely designed Renault logo was introduced, the Aussie toolmakers went one step further. Reversing the new diamond shaped logo for all the new tricolour badges, whilst retaining the reversed tricolour on the right hand side.

    Those 1972 Renault Australia QA inspectors obviously spent a bit longer behind the steering wheel of the old 1972 model though. For the 1973 12GL steering wheel boss tricolour was in the correct order, just the new Vasarely logo was reversed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    On its introduction in June 1972, the Australian Renault 12GL was the most luxurious Renault 12 in the world, with its tachometer, perforated vinyl seats, protector strips and red line Dunlop radial tyres.

    It also featured unique to Australia badges, based on the Renault Competition logo of the time, on the front mudguards, boot lid, timber gear knob, and steering wheel boss. However the Australian graphic designers at Whelan Industries failed to grasp the significance of the original design. The badge on the left hand side having the correct French Tricolour (bleu – blanc – rouge) logo, whilst the badge on the right hand side and on the steering wheel boss was reversed to rouge – blanc – bleu.

    By 1973 when the new Vasarely designed Renault logo was introduced, the Aussie toolmakers went one step further. Reversing the new diamond shaped logo for all the new tricolour badges, whilst retaining the reversed tricolour on the right hand side.

    Those 1972 Renault Australia QA inspectors obviously spent a bit longer behind the steering wheel of the old 1972 model though. For the 1973 12GL steering wheel boss tricolour was in the correct order, just the new Vasarely logo was reversed.
    Well there you go Simon, I never took much notice when I had my 1972 R12GL. I removed all my badges and side moldings(replaced with pin striping) when I resprayed the car.
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    Thanks for the really interesting history Simon!
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    I"ll second that!

    Thanks for all your time and effort to produce that time-line with so much detail.

    Very much appreciated!
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    Hi Simon, this is really useful information - thank you for posting details!

    I have a '74 R12 which I purchased 12 months ago (and featured on a post in AussieFrogs by Gavclassic back in July 2001). It's in incredibly tidy, original condition but needs just a few little items to bring it back to 'as new' including restoration of the tricolour badges. I'm hoping somebody out there may know of somebody who undertakes this sort of work (or highly unlikely, but worth a try, have some original, unused badges they may be willing to part with)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R12GL View Post
    I have a '74 R12 which I purchased 12 months ago (and featured on a post in AussieFrogs by Gavclassic back in July 2001).
    Gee, that poor 12 has had more owners over the past five years, than in its first 30 odd years! Hopefully it gets a loving long-term owner, and that the history of the car has been passed on.

    As for the badges, try Caravelle Imports in Box Hill, Melbourne, Victoria. Ken did have a number of NOS badges in stock a while ago. Also worth a go would be French Connection, who also may have some new badges in stock.
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    Assembled by Berk's is probably not a tag line that would be currently be used.....

    Attached is a pic of the Renault assembly line at Belmore from 1951.
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    Hi Simon, would you have in your files a list of Renault dealers Aussie wide from the sixes and seventies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Hi Simon, would you have in your files a list of Renault dealers Aussie wide from the sixes and seventies?
    Only mid-1969 onwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Assembled by Berk's is probably not a tag line that would be currently be used.....

    Attached is a pic of the Renault assembly line at Belmore from 1951.
    Wonderful thanks Simon. You don't have the chassis/oval plate numbers they used by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    You don't have the chassis/oval plate numbers they used by any chance?
    Unfortunately, no. I'm hoping they are in safe storage, somewhere, awaiting to be discovered. Once discovered, they would then be donated to an Australian Motor Industry Heritage Trust who retain, preserve, and promote the history of the Australian motor industry.......
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    Which in the very near future will be ALL history......

    I'm glad I had the opportunity to work at International Harvester Dandenong, Renault Heidelberg and Perkins Engines!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Only mid-1969 onwards.
    Could you list all of them that were in 1969, showing town, suburb by state.
    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    Interesting, Simon; thanks. You sought input on possible errors. I think that the below 750 info is wrong.

    "1956
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    750: A revised “safety” plastic dashboard with a crushable rubber cushion along its lower edge is introduced. An externally accessible fuel filler cap is included on Australian assembled vehicles."

    My 1958 750 is of this type, I think, & the dash is metal & the cushion is plastic (it also has plastic, not metal, door handles & a padded roll in the panel above the windscreen).

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    Great work Simon. A thousand thanks for getting this together for the rest of us.

    I have a couple of minor changes: the 1954 "Mk 54" version of the 750 didn't get a thermostat. I'm not sure which 750s did, if any, in Australia, although some are now retro-fitted. Others may know the answer to my uncertainty there.

    Our 1964/5 R1130 has seat belt mountings, so they didn't come in with the R1132.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I have a couple of minor changes: the 1954 "Mk 54" version of the 750 didn't get a thermostat.
    Guess who found the easter egg. Technically the radiator blind is a thermostat of sorts, being used to regulate the temperature to an optimum of 85 degrees. But granted, a proper thermostat came along later.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Our 1964/5 R1130 has seat belt mountings, so they didn't come in with the R1132.
    That would be correct, the plugs in the B-pillars and reinforcements on the floor came in with the 1964 model year cars thoughout the range.

    Just had another look, I can see where you are coming from. I'll do a touch-up over the next couple of days when there will be a few additions.
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    Attached are a few pics of the Renault assembly plant at West Heidelberg.

    The aerial shot is from 1971, Dougherty Road at the top of the pic. The 770 finished cars in the paddock being a selection of 12s and 16s in Rouge Red, Teal Blue, Beach Haze, Sage Grey, Alpine White and a handful of Sunburst 16's.

    Pic of a round-eye Renault 10 from 1967, showing the old assembly track with the Australian Craftsmen, with the next pic featuring the white square-eye 10 showing the plants replacement travelling assembly line, and an employee in need of OHS&W training.

    The final pic from 1971 shows the assembly line with an Alpine White 16TS and Sage Grey 12TL, in the pic are Maurice Fertey (in short sleeved shirt) and Brian Bowen (in yellow shirt) with a visitor and more Australian Craftsmen.
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    That last shot looks very much like my area of responsibility for 12 months or so, the "high Line"! Complete suspensions for the 12's, 16's and 504's were inserted from underneath the cars as they moved along. It was an ideal place for unruly employees to cause havoc by not keeping up with the line, causing a line stoppage. That's probably what the Office Wallahs are down there looking at! They were hardly ever seen in the plant unless someone had cocked up!
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    Default R8 1100. Happy 50th Anniversary!

    A couple more pics of Australian Renault production, these being from the Continental and General West Heidelberg era. The first pic is likely circa June/July 1964, as the cars undergoing detailing on the final line are early versions of the R8 1100. Also interesting, and just out of shot, are a Citroen ID19 Parisienne and a couple of Peugeot 403.

    The second pic is from the paint shop, a couple of Studebaker Cruisers, and a Renault R4.
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    Default Happy Anniversary! 40 years of metric motoring in Australia.

    1 July 1974 saw the introduction of the metric system to Australian roads. The road network being the final frontier crossed in Australia's change from the Imperial system to the Metric system.

    Renault Australia's change from MPH to KPH speedos occurred in May 1974, when the 1974 model year upgrade was introduced. Featuring in addition to metric speedos, new colours and extra frills, tombstone seats for the 12GL and 16TS. However the fully imported 15/17 vehicles were still fitted with MPH speedos unless the purchaser noticed, and requested replacement to metric instruments at time of delivery until 1975.

    For the oldies, there were either stick on numbers supplied by your friendly local service station, to remind you of the new speeds, or Renault Australia commissioned DeNeefe signs in Eltham Victoria to print stickers to be attached to the face of the MPH speedometer.

    The stickers supplied for the 10 and 16TL strip speedo (see pics attached below) were a bizzare creation featuring what could be interpreted as random numbers, with no real indication of 60/100/110 kph. In reality I'd say they would have been of less use than a chinagraph pencil blob on the face of the MPH speedo to remind one of where 60/80/100 etc would approximate.

    TV ad from the period, introducing metric motoring:

    http://aso.gov.au/titles/ads/metric-motoring/clip1/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    1 July 1974 saw the introduction of the metric system to Australian roads. The road network being the final frontier crossed in Australia's change from the Imperial system to the Metric system.

    Renault Australia's change from MPH to KPH speedos occurred in May 1974, when the 1974 model year upgrade was introduced. Featuring in addition to metric speedos, new colours and extra frills, tombstone seats for the 12GL and 16TS. However the fully imported 15/17 vehicles were still fitted with MPH speedos unless the purchaser noticed, and requested replacement to metric instruments at time of delivery until 1975.

    For the oldies, there were either stick on numbers supplied by your friendly local service station, to remind you of the new speeds, or Renault Australia commissioned DeNeefe signs in Eltham Victoria to print stickers to be attached to the face of the MPH speedometer.

    The stickers supplied for the 10 and 16TL strip speedo (see pics attached below) were a bizzare creation featuring what could be interpreted as random numbers, with no real indication of 60/100/110 kph. In reality I'd say they would have been of less use than a chinagraph pencil blob on the face of the MPH speedo to remind one of where 60/80/100 etc would approximate.

    TV ad from the period, introducing metric motoring:

    Metric Motoring (1974) clip 1 on ASO - Australia's audio and visual heritage online
    Also a sticker to convert round dial 16TS's to kph. Even had it's own part number 7702063176.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarosa View Post
    Also a sticker to convert round dial 16TS's to kph. Even had it's own part number 7702063176.
    I'm sure you are keeping that decal just in case you ever come across an unmodified 16TS speedo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Perhaps a sticky, so it doesn't get lost so easily, admin?
    Second that request!

    Thanks for the info Simon, very valuable info.

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