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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    All the 12 seals are joined. The earlier (wide plastic locking strip) Australian type, and the later French (stainless locking strip) type. Both have the join at the top, but the French type rarely separates.
    My car is a Feb 73 compliance plate, don't know if it sat in a paddock for months or years after it was built but presumably was built in late 72. (Yes, I should get the number off the oval plate ).
    It has the plastic locking strip (badly discoloured and weathered now) so is the Australian type.
    I don't doubt the ends were once glued but now there's a 1/4" gap between the ends and from what you're saying it was from the factory with the join at the top. The rubber windscreen seals available from Peter Jackson et al. (if they had a suitable profile) are sold by the meter so would have a join that would have to be sealed or glued. I don't mind using Aussie seals if there is one that fits. This one lasted 40 odd years and if another one lasts that long it will outlive me.

    Had a look at the R12 shop, 135 Euro plus about 60 euro postage, ouch.
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    Yes check the price at Scott's.

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    Hello Bowie, I looked at Scotts but they didn't have a windscreen seal for a R12 listed. Lots of other R12 rubbers just not a windscreen.
    The R12 parts manual has the appears to have the size of every clip, grommet, and terminal in the car but not the profile for the windscreen seals so I can't check if one of their generic seals would do the job (probably would if I knew what size).
    Looks like I'm up for a couple of hundred bucks for one out of Europe.


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    I feel like I emailed him a while back.. hold on..

    Ah I emailed him about the difference in the early and late strip and he was like Meeeeeeeeh I got this one, you want it? and fair enough really.

    Ken Bradley, is still still selling stuff out of Alpine Affair?

    I reckon you can save some coin. Ring Alpine Affair. Ken was hanging out there a bit when I was still in Melbourne, he used to run a parts mecha at Box Hill.

    Actually, the chap that sold me the laminated screen reckoned he could get rubbers too.

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    #edit!

    Also! my father was restoring a 504 at one point. The thing sat without a windscreen for a couple of years and the pillars / roof sagged enough so the windscreen wouldn't fit in. Shaving the windscreen down was one option, but he (the windscreen dude) ended up mounting it like a modern car. That is, rubber on the frame, and glass glued to the rubber?

    From memory I think they cut an AU falcon rubber to length as appropriate and glued everything on. I don't remember the glass sticking out so it must have been glued into the inner lip or something...

    Might save future torment with genuine rubber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Ken Bradley, is still still selling stuff out of Alpine Affair?

    I reckon you can save some coin. Ring Alpine Affair. Ken was hanging out there a bit when I was still in Melbourne, he used to run a parts mecha at Box Hill.
    You probably mean Ken Bailey, who ran Caravelle Imports in Box Hill. He sold that business a few years back, and it promptly moved away from some of the older stuff if I recall correctly. He has a new business and can be contacted on 0400 566 119.

    The trouble with the import route postage cost is that most of the folk there have, perhaps reasonably, a minimum handling/postage charge. If you buy a batch of things you need, the postage cost ratio comes down somewhat.

    Good luck - be interesting to hear what you finally do. Not a popular option perhaps, but I'd still consider a comprehensive sealing of the current item in place. I thought the bonding option interesting, although I just struggle with the thought of a 504 shell 'sagging' without a screen!
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    it was a a real couple of years without glass come to think of it.

    And yes I do mean Ken Bailey. Who's Ken Bradley, ah goodness he's a Tuba Player in Sydney. Carry on.

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    Thanks guys.
    I thought about Ken Bailey and I have bought from him back in the Caravelle days. But I didn't think he carried much in the way of parts these days since he sold Caravelle.

    Bowie, I don't think the windscreen could ever be structural and cause the roof to sag because it was removed. If the glass was under pressure if would have cracked very easily from vibration, going over a bump, or a very hot day, etc. I would be betting it's more likely it left the factory slightly undersized.
    The 504 could have the same rubber profile as the 12 (but maybe different length). I think they were both being assembled in Heidelberg at the same time so similar rubber profiles wouldn't be a far stretch of the imagination.

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    Final installment in the windscreen saga.

    I managed to get another good used windscreen seal (thanks to Schlitzaugen) and after several months of waiting for my SIL to get his mate the windscreen fitter to swap-out the seals I gave up and decided to arrange a fitter to come over home and do the job. No knowing anyone in the windscreen business and being a RACQ member I decided to give their guy a try. If nothing else I'm supposed to get a 10% discount being a member (yes, they probably are more than 10% higher than everybody else to start with).

    Got a couple of surprises during this process.
    First, although I planned on reusing the existing screen, RACQ had replacement R12 windscreens in stock.
    Secondly, a new laminated windscreen (with tinted strip across the top) was going to cost an extra $110 over the charge for refitting the old toughened screen. I consider $110 as being extremely cheap for a windscreen, let alone for a 45 year old car.
    Thirdly, expecting to find rampant rust under the seal, there wasn't one scintilla of rust anywhere. I've had other R12's where a lot of the lower windscreen surround and plenum area didn't exist but this must be one of the cars on which the rust-proofing actually worked.

    The only downside on what was a pretty smooth process is the pin for the articulated arm in the spindle washer broke off due to rust. I couldn't find a (good) replacement among my junk and have posted a WTB in the parts section. As a temporary fix, that will probably have to last forever, I ground off the old pin top and bottom and fitted a M4 Rivnut to the washer. An 25mm M4 bolt holds the arm on and goes through the rivnut into the hole in the scuttle. It works for now and if I ever get a proper washer I'll fit that but I'm not holding out much chance of getting one. One could probably turn out a pin on a lathe but I don't have a lathe so that's not a option.

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    The wiper arm fell to bits too but I had a spare so got over that.

    With now having a non-leaking windscreen, the wet season will probably end and we'll go into our drought cycle for the next couple of years.

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    Look at those channels! MINT!

    and bargain on the $110 laminated screen!

    This is a happy news story.

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    I always wondered if the silicone rubber snake oils are any use at keeping rubbers from drying out. When pulling out the seal I noticed how flexible it was, but I have not used any of the above mentioned on it. Stuey might have further details about how old the seal was. Happy to see old GL was of some use Ren.

    By the way, I still have some good wagon parts I couldn't bring myself to throw away (rear lights and such) if anyone wants them for the price of postage.
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