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    G/DAY ALL,
    I recieved the 50 years of bathurst for xmas from amanda & Ryan (renogade) and on watching it last night observed i think 3 R8's off the start was this right or was i seeing things after to much good food (just can't resist my wifes great cooking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter J Kent View Post
    G/DAY ALL,
    I recieved the 50 years of bathurst for xmas from amanda & Ryan (renogade) and on watching it last night observed i think 3 R8's off the start was this right or was i seeing things after to much good food (just can't resist my wifes great cooking)
    Cheers Peter.
    Hi Peter
    I,m thinking back to those fantastic years and trying to remember. I can,t remember R8s but certainly R8 Gordinis were blasting there way around the track. Watch it again, and let me know if I'm right. If you are coming to Junee at Easter, best bring it so we can watch with the boys over a beer or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter J Kent View Post
    G/DAY ALL,
    I recieved the 50 years of bathurst for xmas from amanda & Ryan (renogade) and on watching it last night observed i think 3 R8's off the start was this right or was i seeing things after to much good food (just can't resist my wifes great cooking)
    Cheers Peter.
    No doubt Simon and others will have the information but the dreaded Wicked-pedia suggests three were there in 1963 (one driven by Frank Matich, no less!!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Armstrong_500. I have an R8 model that purports to be FM's car.

    Then six in 1964 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Armstrong_500

    Then 2 in 1965, against Cooper S and Lotus-Cortina models, the Gordinis not meeting the rules in some way, so hardly competitive at all I'd have thought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Armstrong_500

    Then I'm sure one solitary R8 Gordini 1300 entered in 1973 when the rules finally let them race again, and finished a creditable last if I recall correctly. Creditable for finishing of course as that was way beyond the time they were competititive. http://www.r8gordiniregister.com/tag/1973-bathurst/

    No doubt there's more but that's all I can find quickly.
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    I'll have another look and see but unfortunatly i won't be at junee as i no longer have a running car after a toymotor prado rear ended it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter J Kent View Post
    I'll have another look and see but unfortunatly i won't be at junee as i no longer have a running car after a toymotor prado rear ended it .
    Cheers Peter.
    Disaster! Exactly which car was hit and can I help in any way? I've just had the R8 repaired and repainted after a Falcon ute tee-boned me, so know just how you feel.

    At a huge price, all panels are available ex-France but you can usually find what you need in Oz.

    Best of luck.
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    I remember seeing R8's competing at Bathurst and I didn't visit there, for the first time until 1967, there after I visited on a semi regular basis until themid 90's

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    G/DAY ALL
    Thanks john it was my R10 with the warm 1289cc motor that i affectionatly called the frog dog due to how he was treated, the chassis was to badly twisted to repair properly so the motor went into amanda's R10 and I'm rebuilding another body from ground up and putting a supercharged 1.4 in it should be a lot of fun. but SWMBO has decreed that i must finish my xy falcon ute that has been ongoing since 1997 before i can start another major project.

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    Ouch. And it was a Falcon ute that hit me!

    Supercharged 1.4 sounds fun, lots of torque low down I'd imagine.

    Good luck with it all. Can't bring Amanda's R10 and Amanda to Junee?

    Cheers

    (I was going to apologise for highjacking the thread but I realised it is your thread and you highjacked it first!)
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    No unfortunatly she needs it at uni and she will be takeing it to maclean for the highland gathering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter J Kent View Post
    No unfortunatly she needs it at uni and she will be takeing it to maclean for the highland gathering
    Cheers Peter.
    Ah well, better plan for 2015 then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    No doubt Simon and others will have the information but the dreaded Wicked-pedia suggests three were there in 1963 (one driven by Frank Matich, no less!!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Armstrong_500. I have an R8 model that purports to be FM's car.

    Then six in 1964 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Armstrong_500

    Then 2 in 1965, against Cooper S and Lotus-Cortina models, the Gordinis not meeting the rules in some way, so hardly competitive at all I'd have thought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Armstrong_500

    Then I'm sure one solitary R8 Gordini 1300 entered in 1973 when the rules finally let them race again, and finished a creditable last if I recall correctly. Creditable for finishing of course as that was way beyond the time they were competititive. http://www.r8gordiniregister.com/tag/1973-bathurst/

    No doubt there's more but that's all I can find quickly.
    The 1973 Bathurst R1135 Gordini driven by David Frazer and Bob Edgerton finished 27th outright of 30 finishers (59 starters) and 8th in class (A) which was second last in class.
    As a side note I have the gearbox and Cosmic MK1 mags from that car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    No doubt Simon and others will have the information but the dreaded Wicked-pedia suggests three were there in 1963 (one driven by Frank Matich, no less!!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Armstrong_500. I have an R8 model that purports to be FM's car.

    .
    Matich/Murrray R8 in action '63

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=29212

    Park/Sutherland in Gordini '63

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=29204

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Some images from '64

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=2267

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=4370

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=4371

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=6873

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=6876

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=27584
    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=27585

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=27590


    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Then 2 in 1965, against Cooper S and Lotus-Cortina models, the Gordinis not meeting the rules in some way, so hardly competitive at all I'd have thought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Armstrong_500
    Single one from '65

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=9896

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post

    Then I'm sure one solitary R8 Gordini 1300 entered in 1973 when the rules finally let them race again, and finished a creditable last if I recall correctly. Creditable for finishing of course as that was way beyond the time they were competititive. http://www.r8gordiniregister.com/tag/1973-bathurst/

    No doubt there's more but that's all I can find quickly.
    Images from '73

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=9692

    http://www.autopics.com.au/item.mibiznez?id=9693

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    So who was in the R10, number 9 B, in the 1969 Hardie Ferodo? The "B" was the class it was running in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash Car 76 View Post
    So who was in the R10, number 9 B, in the 1969 Hardie Ferodo? The "B" was the class it was running in.
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    9B was Bob and Ross Edgerton. Finished 35 outright out of 42 finishers. 8th of 10 finishers in class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T View Post
    9B was Bob and Ross Edgerton. Finished 35 outright out of 42 finishers. 8th of 10 finishers in class.
    and here is the photo

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    Guys,
    Not wanting to take the shine off of the Australian Renault attacks at Bathurst, but it was very amateur at the time. Having come from South African racing where the factory had a major hand in the presentation of their cars, and a lot of support for non factory teams. On top of that the controlling body was not protective of the main local factories (Holden and Ford). We had an open rule book and everybody played to the same rules.

    Frans' R8 is very representative of what raced at those times, and R8's were very competitive in their class and won the South African Saloon Car Championship overall many times, because of a fair and equal scoring system.

    I question the development knowledge of some of the Australian competitors when I see back suspensions folding under, as in some of the pictures above. Compare those to some of the pictures in "Two Racers in NZ" thread.

    Hail the new Aussie Touring Car rules, although Holden and Ford are not going to like them.

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    Gekoeng you clearly don't understand the rules that were in place at the time for that particular race. It was not the touring car championship nor were the cars from the touring car championship. They were show room cars. In the early events they were required to be exactly as they left the factory. There was no modification permitted. The classes were based on retail price not capacity. The Renaults therefore competed against cars in a similar price category. Each category winner received the same trophy and in theory there was no official outright winner. Later the rules were relaxed to some extent. Eventually the rules were changed and race cars were permitted. Then the only Renault that did any good in the Bathurst was Alain Menu and Plato in a Laguna some time in the late 90's. Then the big two took over and in my opinion it was all down hill from there and I don't bother to watch it. May be next year I'll be tempted, but we'll see.

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    If I remember correctly the class D cars were not always the outright winners or the fastest cars. I don't have the class entries at hand but the poor little 1108cc R10 competed with up to 1600 cc cars. 1967 was the first year with an official outright winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    Looks like it could have been a 10S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    Gekoeng you clearly don't understand the rules that were in place at the time for that particular race. It was not the touring car championship nor were the cars from the touring car championship. They were show room cars. In the early events they were required to be exactly as they left the factory. There was no modification permitted.------ .
    Hi,
    Might I just observe that most of the Renaults in the pics were not just standard, but judging by the number plates, were probably daily drivers and were possibly driven to Bathurst and hopefully home again. Those were the days of enthusiastic amateur competitors. The good old days I went there a few times, even on my honeymoon

    Thanks to youse all for the work putting up the great links. Renaults were cheap and cheerful fun in those days.
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    I think many a driver had a car on hire purchase, drove it to Bathurst, raced it, crashed it and spent the next few years paying it off.
    My brother was friends with John Leffler (in John's F5000 days) and John used to tell a similar tale of a Cooper S he bought and raced with just such an outcome. I agree with Geckoeng to a point that even the "factory" teams when you look at Group C were pretty amateur in their ways and that they were not true factory teams by that stage. Although it is unfair to compare that era with the one depicted in the video for the reasons stated.
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