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    '77 17TS.

    50,000 on the odo.

    She hasn't moved since 1992.

    What's the best way to get it back on the road? What should I be weary of/look out for? I haven't even turned the motor over by hand yet.

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    Find out why the car has not been used in 20 years, just to see if there is a pre-existing problem that needs to be fixed, or if it has just been laid up.

    Pop some oil down the plug holes, leave the plugs out, turn the motor over by hand to see if it is free. Also pop the rocker cover off to check the action of the valves whilst turning the motor over by hand, to make sure none of them has stuck, as well to splash a bit of oil around the valve gear.

    Check to see if the clutch has rusted to the flywheel or pressure plate. Flush cooling system, check, or better, replace the water pump just in case it has seized or the seal has dried out, also check the thermostat to see if it still functions, or replace it. Flush fuel lines and tank (check pump), replace any dodgy hoses or lines. Complete brake overhaul, including flexible lines and master cylinder. Check for compression, then check for any dodgy wiring if it is located in an area prone to rodent problems. Then pop in a battery, check the timing and spark plug firing order, and firstly turn the motor over to build up oil pressure. Sometimes the alloy block motors may need a charge of oil through the oil filter hole first to prime the oil pump. Then if everything checks OK, see if it will start.

    Check the shock absorbers and add a new set of tyres as well.
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    My R17TS was off the road for 19 years and all that Simon has said was wrong with it. This is a Phase 2 model. I wasn't aware that any were sold by Renault in Australia. It was my understanding that the last R17's we received were a Phase 1 body with some phase 2 interior fittings. These could be identified by a flap over the fuel filler as they had a phase 2 body but phase 1 bumpers and rear hatch and motors. Due to meeting ADR's. If I am correct, and Simon will know, then it is a rare car for us. If you want to read my R17TS saga, and it is a saga then go to http://renaultinaus.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=389 . Your car I believe will have a two barrel down draft carby so you won't have the hassles with injection or two barrel side drafts or unusual distributors. Note I also had an intermittently blocked exhaust that caused issues. Lucky you I would love it but I have been banned from any more cars. The oval and diamond plate numbers will be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    My R17TS was off the road for 19 years and all that Simon has said was wrong with it. This is a Phase 2 model. I wasn't aware that any were sold by Renault in Australia. It was my understanding that the last R17's we received were a Phase 1 body with some phase 2 interior fittings. These could be identified by a flap over the fuel filler as they had a phase 2 body but phase 1 bumpers and rear hatch and motors. Due to meeting ADR's. If I am correct, and Simon will know, then it is a rare car for us. If you want to read my R17TS saga, and it is a saga then go to http://renaultinaus.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=389 . Your car I believe will have a two barrel down draft carby so you won't have the hassles with injection or two barrel side drafts or unusual distributors. Note I also had an intermittently blocked exhaust that caused issues. Lucky you I would love it but I have been banned from any more cars. The oval and diamond plate numbers will be interesting.
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    Selakta: Any chance photos of the diamond and oval plate?

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    Ok i'll grab some next time I can.

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    Thanks for that, waiting with great interest for the photos and also Simon's comments re Phase 2 in Australia.

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    The car was driven around Europe in 1977 and imported by Tony Ploy as part of his business (Corin Motors) if that helps.

    He brought a silver '76 Gordini into the country the year before.

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    That makes sense. The country of origin will probably be UK then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    It was my understanding that the last R17's we received were a Phase 1 body with some phase 2 interior fittings.
    Not quite. The post-1975 15TS and 17's for Australia were manufactured to comply with ADR27 for evaporative emissions. The LHR quarter panel was a unique version for Australia, incorporating the fuel filler flap. The only other version fitted with a fuel filler flap were the US spec cars, but they also incorporated side running lights in the panel. The boot floor and underslung fuel tank were shared with the AUS and US spec cars. The European spec Phase 2's retained the same exposed fuel cap and fuel tank in the boot floor as the earlier Phase 1 cars.

    The Phase 2 15/17 wase never sold here, but the import rules back then in 1977 were fairly generous compared to now. With concessions in the original 92.85% sales tax and import duty impost gaining concessions after one month, with a full concession in sales tax and duty after 15 months. Also back then, ADR compliance was quite significant. Depending on the jurisdiction, there were strict requirements for some items (such as seat belts, head restraints, glass and lights) with a number of other items considered more a roadworthy issue than a compliance issue. So in some areas, if one months overseas ownership could be established, certain ADR requirements were waived. So I'd imagine given the nature of the ACT, ADR wise, things would likely have been fairly flexible.

    The subject car would be a UK spec (version 600) R1318.

    The silver 17 Gordini (and I think there is also a Lemon Yellow 15TS in there as well from the same dealer) were personal imports of Australian spec vehicles. Renault offered European delivery of Australian spec cars, with a charge of $75 made on arrival in Australia to comply the vehicles with Australian ADR's in terms of seat belts and other Australian fitted ADR items.
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    Well, Selekta, tell us how you came by it??? It looks a beauty.

    The rear lights look a little different. The body looks superb. Did they have a little more rust proofing by 1977.

    I still have the Corin Motors sticker on my 1973 15TS. The sticker must've been made to last!

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    Thanks Simon. There is a White R17 Gordini Phase 1 in Brisbane that was an Australian spec import. Driven around Europe first and then bought back to Australia. I was told it has some USA features but I can't remember what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastair Browne View Post
    Well, Selekta, tell us how you came by it??? It looks a beauty.

    The rear lights look a little different. The body looks superb. Did they have a little more rust proofing by 1977.

    I still have the Corin Motors sticker on my 1973 15TS. The sticker must've been made to last!

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    That car looks really beautiful.

    I do not really like the colour matched front end (which I think looks like they hit the car over the snout with a frying pan) but that is matter of taste easily corrected if need be. I think the chrome headlight surround looks much better and in the spirit of the overall shape/design of the car. Gives it a more aggressive look if you want to put it that way. Kinda like the difference between a shark and a flathead.
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    I prefer the phase 1 look as well. But this car is so rare in Australia and appears to be in remarkable condition. I am envious.

    A friend of mine in France has a phase 2 but put a phase 1 rear hatch on it because he thought it looked better.

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    Where is the oval plate?


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    The oval plate should be right beside it...maybe it has been removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selekta View Post
    Where is the oval plate?
    As mentioned above, it should be in close proximity to the oval plate, check around where the air cleaner is mounted on the right hand inner wing, or see if it is tucked behind the coil.
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    Found it.


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