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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ 750 View Post
    Hi,
    I obtained this information from David Wheeler of the Renault Classic Car Club (UK). Some content related to the current thread.

    "Similarly like you I have
    been into rear engined Renaults for 40+ years firstly as a "Dauphine
    man" from 1969 owning at least 7 examples of the various models that I can
    remember, then R10 Mk1+2 followed by an R8, 2x R8S and 2x R8 Gordini and 3x
    4CVs.
    The 1060 ['1063']Le Mans replica project 1949 4CV is almost finished, with Star
    wheel 9" drum brakes, a Claude period 5 speed box, a 904cc 670 05 engine,
    Gregoire rear suspension kit and so on.

    My other 4CV 1062 is simply fitted with a Dauph G 670 05 engine + 318 box with
    a side draught Weber 40DCOE and fabricated tubular manifolding.

    My tool for Hill climbing is a 1969 South African built R8Gordini with big
    brakes, special 5 speed ratios hybrid box with a Quaife LSD and an highly tuned
    R5Gordini unit, but thats another subject

    Having done just about everything with and to these cars in 40 odd years, its
    the competition history of the 4CV which fascinates me the most, as I was
    largely ignorant of the achievements for many years, until the Internet
    revealed their successes.

    Best Wishes

    Dave Wheeler"

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    And WHERE did he get the Gregoire suspension kit I wonder?????? I reckon there'd be a market if someone went into limited production. Say 100-200...
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    Hi,

    I have attached some info copied from a CAMS log book dated 1968. The car is listed as 1955 but could possibly be 1954 if the round badge and vent slots behind the front bumper bar are original.

    It is fitted with a 5 speed box with reverse but the ratios differ slightly from standard Claude ratios. This may have been done to optimize it for circuit racing ??

    The hillclimb report (no date shown) has the owner as Gary Semmens. The car was formerly owned and raced by Norm Watts of Maffra.

    Another photo that was with this info shows a damaged car on a trailer. I don't know if it is the same car.

    Regards Bob G
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    Default Great thread

    Hi
    Hey hasn't this been a great thread with you people digging out all this great historical information.

    I love it and keep going please We don't know what good old bibs an' bobs are out there till we stir ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOB750 View Post
    Another photo that was with this info shows a damaged car on a trailer. I don't know if it is the same car.
    What a nice bit of history! Going through the pics I was wondering where the car would be now, then saw the last pic. Given that it looks whitish, and the logbook shows a change from green to white, I'd guess it could be. At least the logbook has survived. Here's hoping the remains are waiting under a blanket waiting to be resurrected one day.....
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    Hi all

    I own a 4cv R1063 and your topic is very interesting
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    A big welcome to our Forum!
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    hello friends
    i like this thread it has a lot of historical information
    they must have struggled to fit the five-speed into a standard 4CV split casing
    best of luck with the five-speed if you do get it installed into your car.

    people were certainly doing pretty incredible work on these cars in the early years
    even great inventors like Gregoire who made dual-springs for the 4CV trans-axle

    i have one or two rusty old 4CVs one of which has R12 engine etc.
    and has a Morris Minor torsion bar front-end in it and i wonder what that achieves?

    Renault 4CV cars were popular at hill-climb races
    and guys would even put a 16TS motor in and do wheel-stands

    i'm more a fan of stock 4CV and Dauphine which are stylish French looking cars
    but sadly the R10 looks like a Skoda or a fridge on wheels basically they look appalling honestly
    they really have nothing in common with the Dauphine from a styling perspective

    at any rate the idea of a mid-engine 4cv or Dauphine sounds the best and would surely be amazing

    Jack Brabham's first GP car was probably a prime example of where best to put a Dauphine engine
    although his car just uses a Dauphine Gordini 4-slotter
    i recall a few years ago i sold a Gordini box to a guy who was building a Brabham replica.

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    Hello and thank you for your welcome,

    I life in france and I'm passionate about 4cv, especially the special 4cv, I found your forum with Bret, who told me about you, sublime your replica John!
    What engine preparation have you on your 4cv?

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    R1063. You might like to read about my attempt to build a replica of a R1063 "kittee" that won its category in the Leige - Rome - Leige in 1955. You will find the story self explanitory. Unfortunately the project has been delayed due to a few factors but work should start again later this year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R1063 View Post
    Hello and thank you for your welcome,

    I life in france and I'm passionate about 4cv, especially the special 4cv, I found your forum with Bret, who told me about you, sublime your replica John! What engine preparation have you on your 4cv?
    Why thank you! My car is not a replica though - it happens to be a good colour and I was asked to join a display at an Italian Car Day here in Western Australia. So we made numbers and removed three hubcaps to imitate Jean Redele's car. After the event, she returned to normal.

    My car is a December, 1950 R1062 that was built in France in right-hand drive. It is more or less standard although with a new 3-speed gearbox, Type 314. The original BP3 gearbox broke many years ago and was replaced by a Type 289 that gave trouble last year after 48 years in the car. I have a standard engine. The only significant modifications are to fit Dauphine drum brakes from the 1956 spider wheel Dauphine model and fitting telescopic rear shock absorbers instead of the Renault-made lever shock absorbers.

    I have owned my car since 1966.

    I hope you enjoy our Forum!

    Best wishes
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigre View Post
    hello friends
    i like this thread it has a lot of historical information
    they must have struggled to fit the five-speed into a standard 4CV split casing
    best of luck with the five-speed if you do get it installed into your car.

    people were certainly doing pretty incredible work on these cars in the early years
    even great inventors like Gregoire who made dual-springs for the 4CV trans-axle

    i have one or two rusty old 4CVs one of which has R12 engine etc.
    and has a Morris Minor torsion bar front-end in it and i wonder what that achieves?

    Renault 4CV cars were popular at hill-climb races
    and guys would even put a 16TS motor in and do wheel-stands

    i'm more a fan of stock 4CV and Dauphine which are stylish French looking cars
    but sadly the R10 looks like a Skoda or a fridge on wheels basically they look appalling honestly
    they really have nothing in common with the Dauphine from a styling perspective

    at any rate the idea of a mid-engine 4cv or Dauphine sounds the best and would surely be amazing

    Jack Brabham's first GP car was probably a prime example of where best to put a Dauphine engine
    although his car just uses a Dauphine Gordini 4-slotter
    i recall a few years ago i sold a Gordini box to a guy who was building a Brabham replica.
    Just yesterday I was looking at a BP3 transaxle in pieces - it was this gearbox that was modified to accept 4 and 5 speeds. The gears must have been very narrow! The main problem, I would think, would have been the crownwheel and pinion, which is smaller than the later Type 289 gearbox. The pinion is very small! But both shafts on this gearbox had splines to allow gears to be installed, so ratios could be changed and somehow they fitted selectors to accommodate extra gears. I think I heard that the 5-speeders didn't have reverse (no space).

    In Australia, Dauphine Gordini transaxles were used in some early "Clubman" cars, mounted upside down behind the engine. Exactly which Brabham car do you mean?

    Good to see this thread revived!
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    Hi John and thank you for these explanations, I think your very pretty 4cv with numbers.
    I'm trying to put pictures on the forum, but I do not yet.
    I also have a forum on the 4cv in France.

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    Hello Sunroof,
    I'm trying to put pictures on the forum, but I do not yet.
    Very nice project, I looked at your page, it's very interesting!

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    A very interesting topic indeed, do you have pictures of this Assembly john?

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    I recall seeing a douphine hill clime car with a mid mount holden 186 ,in the back seat ,also i seem to remember benny at e and a motors saying that there was a 5 speed box under the bench ,when he was an apprentice ,they had pulled from a 4cv and fitted a 3 speed ,.so these boxes must have been around in the day, but rare ,pugs

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    These are the boxes that today are rare in France

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1063 View Post
    A very interesting topic indeed, do you have pictures of this Assembly john?
    Do you mean pictures of my three-speed BP3 gearbox? I can arrange that next week. There are some new parts for the BP3 for sale on Ebay France.
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    o, sorry, I was talking about photos of box 5
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    R1063.
    Is yours a genuine R1063 or "kitee"? The roundals suggest it raced at Le-Mans. What is its oval number? I know of several owners of R1063 in France. Perhaps we could speak of them on a private email? I have prepared a magazine that translates a number of articles on R1063 into English, but copyright laws would prevent general distribution of them. I made some errors but these have been corrected by a friend in France that has a number of such vehicles. I should like to produce another lot of translations one day but it does take a lot of time as I do not speak French. I have quite a few Renaults and as a result my interests change from one to the other from time to time. At the moment I am painting my Floride S after repairing the rust in doors and sills. I really want to get back to my replica R1063 after I repair the gearbox in R17TS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    I have prepared a magazine that translates a number of articles on R1063 into English, but copyright laws would prevent general distribution of them.
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    Hello
    It's a kitee, with many authentic pieces, I think since the owner you know, I also know as many parts have been purchased from them ;-)

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    yes , We can if you want to talk about private mail!

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