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    Purchased the above about 18 months ago for the wife as a cheap option - great spec and features for the price and wife had previously owned an A-Class so liked to shape/concept.

    Car had approx 120K on the clock and prior to our purchase it had all the key maintenance done (timing belt, servicing) at the right times (receipts came with the car in the little leather booklet). It also a repair on the auto gearbox by a French servicing specialist not far from Parramatta approx 10K kms or 5 months prior to our purchase. Paperwork shows work was to fix fault described as a Thump. Work done was to replace 2 solenoids (Part R7701208174), gaskets, 6L Elfmatic etc and new download (total cost of $1000). Car certainly drove well when we purchased it.

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    Approx 6months after purchase we started getting intermittent gearbox faults on the dash and some strange shifting. These weren't major and always cleared by turning the car off and restarting (reboot fixes everything). I did make an effort to call the previous gearbox repair person hoping the would honour the "Quality Workmanship Guarenteed" written on the bottom of the invoice but go nothing but hostility on the phone so moved on ! In fairness it was now over 12 months since the original work was done.

    We did have the car serviced by another French Specialist who did a full check and download saying there was nothing there - couple of alarms showed as low octane warnings (for a relatively low performance car she sure is picking on her petrol !!).

    Soon after it got worse and the car will now pull up to a set of lights, downshifts to 1st then THUMPS up into 2nd or 3rd and stays there. The thump jolts the whole car. You can either limp away from the lights (dangerous and annoying) or shift into neutral and quickly restart the car then things gets better.

    Fault is definitely worse when cold but pretty consistent. Also on the odd occasion we've been cruising on the motorway at 110kmh when it just kicks down into 2nd and revs like absolute mad (certainly gets your attention !). Again restarting fixes the problem.

    Needless to say we lost patience with it a while back and fearing a major repair bill bought a replacement car (German not French) which the wife loves. So for the last few months the little Scenic sits still registered and running but unloved in the carport. Fire it up every second week and drive to the shops and back but thats it.

    Question is do I even bother getting it looked at, find a cheap secondhand auto box, sell as it or what ? Seems a terrible shame as it is otherwise a good, if not quirky, little car. Kids loved all the hidey holes for storage and the twin sunroofs.

    Welcome the opinions of the sage Scenic crowd here.

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    Given you've already bought a replacement car, I'd jump ship and bail out without trying to repair the scenic before sale.
    To fix the gearbox would add another few thousand dollars that you may not recoup in resale anyhow.

    Obviously your Scenic is now worth <$2k at present though.

    I'd not go the secondhand box route as you could be in for the same issue within a short space of time as has already happened with your car. To be fair to the workshop concerned, your car doesn't sound like it had a full auto rebuild done and the current fault may or may not be the same fault that occurred prior to your purchase.

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    I'm all for supporting the little guy and on occassions, totally against the , Oh, don't go the dealer track for servicing.
    I'm not sure of the Renault Franchise down your way, but, one of my son's bought a Clio auto a couple of years ago. The car was great. It threw the gearbox fault originally, just after we purchased the car.
    I called the service dept of 2 local Renault dealers(Gold Coast) and Brisbane. I was told by both, the fault is a simple fix, similar to your original mention.
    For all intents and purposes, the fault sounds like the fault with the Clio(same gearbox) and exactly as your first repair explaination would indicate.
    Whether they did the full replacement of those solenoids, I am not sure, but I would make an educated guess and say if you called a local dealer, you'd likely get the same comment. Replace the solenoid/solenoids. My son's Clio was diagnosed free of charge to us originallly as the car was under a warranty from s/h dealer.
    Try your luck, you might catch them on a good day and they will diagnose it for minimal cost. Best IMHO to have the proper diagnostic computer hooked up to the car, as the generic ones, often don't find all the codes.

    Good luck with it, the Scenic is a lovely car to drive.
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    Chris,
    Based on his initial comments, I don't believe the transmission was originally repaired by a Renault Dealer, rather a workshop that tends to specialise in Renaults and Peugeots (and citroens to a lesser extent).

    If he went to the dealer now, he would be starting from scratch with repairs and I can see it getting more expensive than he might otherwise want for a car he is intent on flogging off. You'd have to examine if the cost of repair is really going to be recouped in the sale price. On the other hand, a renault with a freshly rebuilt auto may be an easier sell than as it presently sits.

    I'd be surprised if the major dealers actually do their auto rebuilds themselves these days anyhow. i reckon they'd subbie it out and just do the removal and install themselves.
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    Thanks for the comments - I believe based on the invoice the solenoids were replaced with new when the previous repair was done.

    I should have added we've decided to sell the car regardless .... if I want some French flair in my life it'll be a 205 GTI project to fill the space left by the Scenic but don't tell the wife

    Right now we're wrestling with the value of getting it fixed for resale or dumping it and taking the hit on $$ - as I said it has it quirks but is a very practical car at an excellent price point.

    Based on comments I'll get prelim quotes for repair ... does anyone standout in Sydney as knowing the nuances of the French auto box ? Oh and someone that won't charge and arm and a leg for something we don't want to keep.

    Again appreciate the insights

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    If you're dumping it, I might be interested.

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    I purchased a Scenic 03 Expression auto back in June 2010 that had a thump gear change not as bad as yours. the Renault Melbourne dealer found the fault code DF 049 using the CLIP system indicating a failure in the pressure regulation solonoid . The cost of replacement of the pressure regulation solonoid was $240 in labour and $263 in parts (plus GST) for wiring of the TDC sensor, crankshaft position sensor and oil. Hope this helps in in your decision making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Lane View Post
    I purchased a Scenic 03 Expression auto back in June 2010 that had a thump gear change not as bad as yours. the Renault Melbourne dealer found the fault code DF 049 using the CLIP system indicating a failure in the pressure regulation solonoid . The cost of replacement of the pressure regulation solonoid was $240 in labour and $263 in parts (plus GST) for wiring of the TDC sensor, crankshaft position sensor and oil. Hope this helps in in your decision making.
    Thanks for that post - as it happens our 03 Scenic is currently having the intermittent thumping problem (quite severe when it happens, warning light comes on, and is OK after ignition turned off/on again). As per the original post by Thatguy, it is a very common problem, at least the fix is also well known. Although I have considered doing the job myself, I have intended to at least get a quote from Renault dealer, as they have proably done one or two of these, and hopefully will carry it out without any drama. So your post above is very useful for approximate comparison purposes. If they can do it for that price I won't bother doing it myself, especially as it requires a computer calibration check following installation of the solenoids, apparently.

    And by the way, same as posted above - although our car goes into limp home mode and the "auto" warning light comes on, I have checked the fault codes with 2 different code readers, and no fault codes are present. I dont know why, but I was hoping the dealer would be able to read a code, it will make it more likely that they then fix the problem.

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    Will take it down to the local French guy on Monday and get them to look over it. Will make a decision then to get it repaired or dumped.

    Thanks again

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    Have you made a decision on this yet. I'm in the market for a scenic and might be keen to take it on un-repaired.

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    It may be too late, but did you try to "re-boot" the computer by removing the battery lead for a few minutes and then see how it goes, make sure you have the radio code to reset. Also ckeck that the battery is at full strength, sometimes, as with old Citroen D fuel injection, not enough volts at start up or a bad earth can upset the "brain.

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