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    Hi all

    I have been looking at the Citroen C5 and Laguna. Currently I know of a Laguna for sale, asking $6500 with a full year of rego. It has recently had timing belt done and MAP sensor, and has also had coils replaced. About 160 kms on the clock. is this too much for this car, and if so what should I be offering if I was to go there.

    The other choice I was looking at was a UK sold and AU import 2002 C5 V6 that I can probably get for around $4500 (rego expires on 21st Sept)

    Are either of these worthwhile or am I looking at future trouble and way too much expense.

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    The UK delivered C5 would need a thorough inspection on a hoist, for body rot. It's viability would depend greatly on how long it has spent in each country. Gut feeling is, it's too dear, but that is an opinion with negligible basis in fact.

    Why the narrow "bandwidth" of vehicles? Both prices are in Camry/Avalon territory.

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    Would like something a little more exciting that the standard Japanese fare. I drive a patrol so something a little more refined would be nice. yes I know with that also comes more expense, but really any used car is going to need stuff doing to it. I do not have any issues in getting bits from OS if necessary either so it is more just a personal choice I guess

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    My roofer is French and drives a Patrol.

    It really is a buyer's market for older French cars; the C5 beats a Xantia for NVH but the Laguna vs a late 406 would be a tough call. Estate versions will always hang on longer so far as value is concerned.

    For 6ĹK I'd seek out a 607 with a few niggles, and love it back to health.

    I'm assuming you also don't want an Alfa, as they can offer more driving enjoyment than a Japanese car. A very late 156 is something I'd otherwise suggest, but 159s are still pricey.

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    I have seen a 2000 166 but I have also heard that the timing belts to replace on those are very very expensive. I love the feel and features of the C5, but the Laguna is also a nice car as well. I hate having to make a damn decision. I should also add that the C5 only has about 90 kms on the clock

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    166s are pretty rare here! Not the 156 you saw?

    Timing belt is more complicated than a PSA engine, but same approach to sourcing bits overseas, makes ownership more affordable.

    With Renault vs Peugeot/CitroŽn, the main difference is (as I see it) that "everyman" access to parts information and diagrams is more restricted for the Renault marque. That can make a big difference when looking for interchangeability or when you need a timely response in order to avoid local prices.

    The $4500 607 potentially is a screaming deal; it may need the autobox rebuilt.
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    Not a 607 its a C5. And yes the Alfa is a 166 V6 24V with 150 kms, and he is only asking $5600 so you have to wonder what may be wrong with it.

    I do actually like the Citroen C5, even the look , as does my 16 year old daughter who would ultimately be driving this car. i tried to get her to like a 528i BMW but she was having nothing of that at all.....LOL

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    Does the C5 have a manual gearbox if it's an import I'd be looking at the Laguna simply due to the fact it should be the 5spd gearbox in it that would be more reliable than the 4HP20 in the C5.

    It's a difficult price range to look at, as if the car is being sold due to it's gearbox showing first signs of failure (which you may not notice when test driving). You could be up for at least the purchase price again within a short time of getting home for another gearbox

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFLundgren View Post
    Hi all

    I have been looking at the Citroen C5 and Laguna. Currently I know of a Laguna for sale, asking $6500 with a full year of rego. It has recently had timing belt done and MAP sensor, and has also had coils replaced. About 160 kms on the clock. is this too much for this car, and if so what should I be offering if I was to go there.

    The other choice I was looking at was a UK sold and AU import 2002 C5 V6 that I can probably get for around $4500 (rego expires on 21st Sept)

    Are either of these worthwhile or am I looking at future trouble and way too much expense.

    Your thoughts, comments and advice most appreciated.

    regards

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    First thing you need to do when asking advice on this forum is ignore anyone telling you you should be driving a jap car. C5 and Laguna are the cars of topic and both are good cars.

    I'd be weary of the UK import as someone already said, body rust is an issure plus you'd be surprised how many things can differ from one country to the next so as Aussie car is sometimes the way to go.
    I'd go for the Renault because I think they drive better and speaking as someone who sells parts for them for a living we get alot more calls on C5 parts than Laguna.

    Both are fantastic value for money, $6,500 for a car that drives as nice as that, what an absolute steal, try finding anything else in that price bracket that drives as good as either Frenchies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Does the C5 have a manual gearbox if it's an import


    I'd be looking at the Laguna simply due to the fact it should be the 5spd gearbox in it that would be more reliable than the 4HP20 in the C5.

    It's a difficult price range to look at, as if the car is being sold due to it's gearbox showing first signs of failure (which you may not notice when test driving). You could be up for at least the purchase price again within a short time of getting home for another gearbox

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    Thanks for the advice. It is the 4 speed auto in the C5. It did seem to drive pretty well with only 57000 miles or about 90 kms. The only thing that was not working was the sat nav lcd screen which from research appears to be the sat nav ECU needs replacing as the radio and such still works. Higher spec than the same year aussie C5.

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    I'd suggest there are more calls on C5 bits than Laguna due to relative sales volume.

    The main differences UK to Oz on a C5 will be trim variations, and the possibility of a manual box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    First thing you need to do when asking advice on this forum is ignore anyone telling you you should be driving a jap car. C5 and Laguna are the cars of topic and both are good cars.



    I'd be weary of the UK import as someone already said, body rust is an issure plus you'd be surprised how many things can differ from one country to the next so as Aussie car is sometimes the way to go.
    I'd go for the Renault because I think they drive better and speaking as someone who sells parts for them for a living we get alot more calls on C5 parts than Laguna.
    What are the typical replacements that people are looking for on the C5?

    Both are fantastic value for money, $6,500 for a car that drives as nice as that, what an absolute steal, try finding anything else in that price bracket that drives as good as either Frenchies.
    And I reckon I could probably get it for 6k if I tried hard enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFLundgren View Post




    What are the typical replacements that people are looking for on the C5?



    And I reckon I could probably get it for 6k if I tried hard enough.

    Richard


    As for sales volumes I think Laguna and C5 are fairly even there so I doubt thats why we get more C5 calls.

    C5's it lots of things, transmissions as Shane has already said, engines, vac pumps, hyd pumps, anything that pumps, brake calipers, heater resistors, coils, heater fans, basically with a C5 its anything between the 2 bumper bars.

    Laguna its window regs, engines and transmissions but not as often, coils, lots of electrical plugs like taillight globe holders.

    I had a C5 V6 exclusive for a while and it was reliable, I sold it at about 260,000 just before things went wrong. I had to do coils and spheres but basically it was good.
    A mate has a Laguna and it does drive nicer and all he's ever done is window regs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFLundgren View Post
    I have seen a 2000 166 but I have also heard that the timing belts to replace on those are very very expensive. I love the feel and features of the C5, but the Laguna is also a nice car as well. I hate having to make a damn decision. I should also add that the C5 only has about 90 kms on the clock
    Seem to remember that it is a 6 hour job. So, if you can do it yourself it shouldn't be that expensive.
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    You guys make it so damn hard to choose


    The Laguna and Citroen are the same year age wise.
    The Citroen has almost 70 k less on the clock.
    Citroen seems to require more parts more often - maybe?
    Citroen is 2K cheaper no rego - Laguna has 1 year rego
    Citroen is charcoal - Laguna is blue

    Geez I hate having to make decisions. No wonder my wife HATES shopping with me

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    I had a V6 Laguna for a few years. I found the biggest problem was the auto gearbox. At the time I was quoted $12k for supply of a new one and a few grand for fitting. (Ended up sourcing a used one with 70k km on it for much less than that)
    Just make sure that the gearbox fluid has been changed recently-ish, that it is shifting smoothly and that it changes quickly out of auto-idle when the brake pedal is released.
    Other than that - it was a fantastic car!
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    One thing definitely to check is whether your insurance company may rule out the non-Australian delivered C5, or charge a lot more to insure it. Some do, some don't, but it's worth checking, might affect your decision.

    I have no idea about the UK to Aust delivered C5 (someone else here may be able to help), but my sister was looking at a Toyota Prius a few years back (first gen sedan). I went with her on the second look, and thought the tail lights seemed funny at first glance, but as I started to look at it, it turned out to be second hand Jap import. I tried to talk her out of it, but she was dead keen (about 2/3 the price of Aust delivered one), so we started to do some research. Turns out lots of little consumable things were different, and some parts (particularly relating to emissions) weren't interchangable. In the end she grudgingly ended up with a Pulsar.

    Having said that, my experience of French cars demonstrates far less 'adaptation' for Australia/RHD. My wipers go the wrong way (the big gap in the corner normally on the passenger side is on the drivers side), the drivers door has no key lock, it's on the passenger side, and bonnet release and fuse box are all over the passenger side as well.

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    I have a laguna and did own a second hand C5 V6 for about a year.

    The laguna does drive better and is more economical with the five speed Asin Warner gear box. In one year I spent more than in the previous seven years with my 406 on parts for the Citroen. It had done 70,000kms when I got it. Suspension bushes were gone in rear and dealer wanted $6,000 for parts. A specialist replaced the bushes.

    My Laguna has had 2 coils replaced and another is on the way out. Lovely car to drive, comfortable and economical on trips.
    There were other issues all covered by warranty so in 6 yrs ownership so far cost to me has been one coil.
    My brothers Laguna has air con fault where outside temp reads wrong and affects AC operation. He also has window regulator issue. Any fixes for this?

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    Does the temperature read erratically, or plain wrong?

    I'd be looking for a strained connector/wiring if you're referring to the mirror-mounted temp sensor. Many AC units also have an intake air temperature somewhere up near the scuttle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBendigo View Post

    One thing definitely to check is whether your insurance company may rule out the non-Australian delivered C5, or charge a lot more to insure it. Some do, some don't, but it's worth checking, might affect your decision. .....
    Shannons will definitely insure the vehicle. Quite often when you factor in agreed value, windscreen cover , tool cover and agreed value they offer a better deal than the main stream insurers.

    I have a Jap import with them and it works out $60 a year more than the equivalent Australian delivered model. The insurance cover is far better and Shannons are great to deal and claim with.

    So I wouldn't worry about insurance, but give them a ring to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Does the temperature read erratically, or plain wrong?

    I'd be looking for a strained connector/wiring if you're referring to the mirror-mounted temp sensor. Many AC units also have an intake air temperature somewhere up near the scuttle.
    I think you will be right, mine did the same and replacing the sensor did not fix it. The dealer said it was a crimped wiring loom. Same dealer can't get this fixed.

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