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    I'm off to buy one of these tomorrow and will be reporting back on my experience.
    As a sales manager it will be my 'company' car.
    I have been looking at different options for months now, and have decided on the little pug.
    Looked at Golf's, 308's, Corolla's, Mazda 3's, Ford Foci. But keep coming back to the 207.
    Just hope my local dealer doesn't disgrace himself!

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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    If it'll help to reassure you, your thread just prompted me to go and take a look at my 207HDi (hatch) which is at about 24,000 km, and its trip computer says my last 10,000 km delivered 5.0L/100 km at an average of 49 km/h. I know that I could have done better ...
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    Just got back from the dealer. Car on order. Test drove one for the first time and what a great little car - actually not that little. Easily as much seating room as my 307, even before you take into consideration the luggage space, but way easier to drive. The torque of the diesel is impressive, and the 6 speed box is much improved over the old 5 speed. Much more direct action.
    The leather/cloth combination seats are nicely shaped, if a bit firm.
    The suspension is very taught and a bit like the 307 in that way.
    The real surprise was on the freeway at 100 clicks. Very quiet and smooth. The revs are very low and the torque makes overtaking effortless, and that was three bods on board.
    You really only notice its a diesel at standstill. Once its moving its quiet as.
    The wife loves it and and I'll have a job on my hands keeping it for myself!

    The dealer was actually very good, especially after he realised he didn't have to tell me about how everything works as the controls are common with the 307.
    All in all a surprisingly pleasant experience.
    Should take delivery in a couple of weeks once it arrives from Melbourne.



    2011 Peugeot 207 HDi Touring Outdoor

    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

    Past: 1953 Thames 100E van, 1966 Austin 1800, 1972 XA Falcon V8, 1973 Peugeot 504,
    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Picked up the car today. All in all a very good experience with the dealer.

    The car is very tight. I was cruising along in a 70kph area with the fuel consumption reading hovering around 2.8l/100. :O and that will only get better.

    Dealers are funny buggers. They can't seem to recognise when they don't have to go the 'sell'. They pulled a couple of old tricks, thinking they had me fooled but I just went along with them as their antics made no difference to me. You'd think they would be a little more professional but I guess it goes to show the level/quality of sales training they get.

    I didn't hurt that their finance manager was serious eye candy

    Loving the car though. Its very easy to drive and just takes a little getting used to a slightly different driving technique from a petrol. The turbo lag takes a little getting used to. 2000rpm at 120kph in 6th. Gonna be an excellent open road tourer.


    The driving position and adjustments are a big improvement over the 307 and the bluetooth is a great addition.

    I don't reckon there is much on the market that can equal it for bang for your buck.

    The service intervals worry me though. 20000k's?? I think I will be doing oil changes in between them.




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    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

    Past: 1953 Thames 100E van, 1966 Austin 1800, 1972 XA Falcon V8, 1973 Peugeot 504,
    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    picsorban, Morpheus.

    I think the 207 SW is an excellent package. Love the rear seat folding action.
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    Went 4 adults up to the netball today. The extra weight did not hamper the performance as much as I thought it would and the suspension coped so well, you couldn't really tell there
    was a couple of adults in the back.

    110 kph on the freeway and it is just so relaxed. Big ups!

    The panoramic roof is a big hit.

    Pics soon.



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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Default Pics arrived!

    Brief photoshoot today...
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    2011 Peugeot 207 HDi Touring Outdoor

    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

    Past: 1953 Thames 100E van, 1966 Austin 1800, 1972 XA Falcon V8, 1973 Peugeot 504,
    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Just clocked up 1000km's (first tank of gas). Doing 5.2l/100.
    Impressive little car. Tracks dead straight - unlike our 307.
    Excellent seats and adjustibility of driving position. Very light on the controls - steering, clutch.
    The 6 speed gearbox is a beauty and so light an positive.
    Typical Peugeot turn in - precise and quick with no understeer.
    Performance is OK, especially when I'm the only one in the car, which is 98% of the time. The torque is very useful around town and on the freeway.
    Slow off the mark however.
    Just as well I'm not in a hurry these days!!



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    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

    Past: 1953 Thames 100E van, 1966 Austin 1800, 1972 XA Falcon V8, 1973 Peugeot 504,
    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Just filled up for the second time. 5.1l/100 on first tank and 5.2l/100 on the second.
    Got a bit of a shock though. Trip computer says I have 60km's to go when I filled it up. It took 48.1 litres. Checked the manual for tank capacity...
    "48 litres" :O



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    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    Just filled up for the second time. 5.1l/100 on first tank and 5.2l/100 on the second.
    Got a bit of a shock though. Trip computer says I have 60km's to go when I filled it up. It took 48.1 litres. Checked the manual for tank capacity...
    "48 litres" :O
    Interesting - I would have thought it was 50 litres (approximately), but perhaps with the addition of an additive tank some of the tank space has been modified for the additive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Interesting - I would have thought it was 50 litres (approximately), but perhaps with the addition of an additive tank some of the tank space has been modified for the additive.
    The book says 50 litres for the petrol and 48 for the diesel.



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    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Now clocked 12000 k's. No problems, no rattles. I have noticed the fuel enconomy getting a little worse and she seems a little more sluggish than she was.
    I am suspecting fuel filter getting blocked and going to look at changing it. Of course I do use the air con a bit more at this time of year which will contribute but how much I am not sure. Average usage has gone from 5.2l/100 to 5.5 and I'm not driving any harder.
    Anyone got any thoughts on the fuel filter?



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    2004 Peugeot 206 XT 1.6 Manual.

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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Hi-Someone brought some fliers to the P.C.C.V. meeting -Run out 207's from around $17.000.Do not know how many Dealers have them

    Nice Chrissy Discount for the fortunate ones.

    Pekay.

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    Didn't realize you can turn the aircon off ...

    Except for the age (and -- of course! -- discounting usage), it sounds like your fuel filter. FYI, here's one we prepared earlier -- it's a happy snap that I took just now (at > 30,000 km) as a result of last weekend's meandering, undertaken with absolutely no thought at all of particularly economical driving.

    Bwand noo 207HDi outdoor touring-economy.jpg

    Not seeking to impress anyone unduly, but it was mostly on "C" class roads or worse, and it includes at least 4 or 5 km where I was decidedly not at high speed while I was trying to diagnose this ...

    Bwand noo 207HDi outdoor touring-damnagain2.jpg

    FYI, it wasn't the first time I've been deceived by the machine's balance with one flattening tyre. Fling the wheel from side to side a bit, even let it go -- absolutely no noticeable effect, except when it would quieten down a bit as it unloaded turning left. I was almost convinced the left rear wheel bearing had gone.

    ... and at the risk of sparking another holy war about tyre choices, I'm more than happy with the ContiPremium Contact 2's, thanks very much, and I don't blame them for this problem at all. I'm becoming increasingly less happy, however, about the state of the roads -- this is the second tyre I've had to replace in less than two months due to bad unmarked potholes ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    Now clocked 12000 k's. No problems, no rattles. I have noticed the fuel enconomy getting a little worse and she seems a little more sluggish than she was.
    I am suspecting fuel filter getting blocked and going to look at changing it. Of course I do use the air con a bit more at this time of year which will contribute but how much I am not sure. Average usage has gone from 5.2l/100 to 5.5 and I'm not driving any harder.
    Anyone got any thoughts on the fuel filter?
    Hi Morpheus,

    Nice choice of car and glad you're enjoying it. The Missus has a 207 Hdi that we have had since new - we love it too. We do lots of freeway, bumpy country and dirt roads which the little Pug handles beautifully. It's great to get in and drive after having my bones rattled in my 205!

    Interestingly, when it was very new it did a similar thing to yours - very sluggish off the line and then it got very bad and wouldn't rev over about 2500. Turned out to be a collapsed fuel filter.

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    Update time. Now clocked up 45000 k's and the original tyres (Bridgerock Turanza) are fairly well clagged. Brakes are also due for replacement. It has been totally reliable with a couple of 1500km country trips done in supreme comfort. Fuel economy is still nowhere near what I expected. Averages 5.3l/100 with me driving like Nan. Cooler weather seems to help so as we are now heading into winter and soon to have new tyres, we may see an improvement. Great little car though.



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    That mileage sounds bang on to me, based on UK peoples' reported actual figures.

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    I'm somewhere on the wrong side of 50,000km now, still belting it, and still clocking < 5's.

    Talking fuel tanks, pulled up at the servo today to fill up Mrs B's petrol 207, alongside of a firey filling his giant, shiny red fire engine, and couldn't help commenting that his motor probably had a bit of a thirst to it (he was there before I arrived and after I left). He said that even though they don't pull too many long runs, they're out somewhere every day, and each excursion's a sprint; and even standing still at a fire scene, the same tank of diesel might have to drive their pumps for an hour or two at a time. Said they top up daily -- luckily he had a fuel card, because he said its tank had a 200L (!) capacity ...
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    I wonder if there is a difference between the hatchback economy and the touring as my outdoor sits higher than the standard wagon or hatch???



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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    This is the consumption since new...

    Bwand noo 207HDi outdoor touring-img_0765.jpgBwand noo 207HDi outdoor touring-img_0766.jpg



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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    I wonder if there is a difference between the hatchback economy and the touring as my outdoor sits higher than the standard wagon or hatch???
    I'm tipping it's got much more to do with the extra 100kg kerb weight of the Touring - with the rest more about how you use it, passengers/weight carried, roads travelled and how the two of you calculate your figures.
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    I need new rubber now and so thought I'd do some research on this forum. Well, that was a waste of time! So anyway, I was looking into Khumo and found this...

    Very interesting.

    The car had Turanza ER300 fitted from new so the Khumo's will be an interesting change.


    Kumho KH17 Urban Touring Tyres | Kumho Tyres Australia



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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    So went to a local tyre bloke that I have used in the past and asked him for the Khumo's. He said why do you want them? This is what you need, and dragged out a Nexen. I says "wtf are they?"
    He says, best value for money going - great tyre.
    OK I says, I'll take your word for it an give them a shot.

    Subsequent research shows them to be a "standard" grade tyre, but one that gets very good reviews. So I will report back on a tyre thread once I have formed an opinion.



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    1984 Mitsubishi Colt, Holden HX Kingswood, 1983 Toyota Corolla XX, 1988 Toyota Corolla 4WD, 2007 Peugeot 307XSE. + various company Falcauriodores.

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    Hi Morpheus
    I had Nexen CP641 on a Twin Turbo 300ZX. They're a very quiet tyre, good ride and seem to last ok. Prior to this I had another type of Nexen that sadly they superseded in the Nissan size. At about $120-130 each quite well priced. But in my case outlets like Bob Jane were trying to sell me Maxxis ("Maxxis for taxis") so in the end I went to a Goodyear place that ordered the Nexen in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    This is the consumption since new...
    Interesting charting. Did you see what each tankfill was showing on the trip computer, as a comparison?

    Was the trip computer optimistic?

    Is this the 1.6L HDi engine? If so, your figures are reasonable for mixed city driving with more stops and starts, lights and corners than 80kmh zones.

    You didn't say what size tyres you had. If they are low profile (less than 55% aspect ratio) then you probably got OK mileage out of them. If they are 65s then you probably could have got close to 80,000km, and better fuel consumption as well, by inflating them to 4psi higher than recommended when cold.

    I have done this for years, and it pays to buy a decent dial tyre gauge (even the little $5 ones Repco used to sell are reliably accurate) and check either cold at home if you have your own air, or if checking after you have driven it even as little as 200m (not 200km) you need to add 2 psi to the cold reading.

    In other words, if the recommendation (on the door frame) is 32psi (multiply kgm or whatever it is by 15) you would use 36psi cold, or if checking at the servo, you would use 36psi. This will give you the following advantages:

    1) Even wear across the tread, not shoulders worn first

    2) Better cornering adhesion - no tyre squeal if pushing hard. Tyre squeal always indicates loss of grip.

    3) Better fuel consumption.

    The downside is that under straight-line braking you might have less tyre grip - I haven't tested it properly. In any case I always give myself a very good gap to the vehicle in front when driving so that I am not taken by surprise.

    I know of at least 2 occasions with both my 307 and C4 where I noticed that fuel consumption was rising and I then realised that I hadn't checked the tyres for several months. You can lose 4psi in just a few (2 or 3) weeks.

    If you have less than 55% aspect ratio tyres then nitrogen-filling definitely helps with reducing the bump shock and noise you get when hitting expansion joints and the like, though I no longer use nitrogen myself because all my recent cars have been 55% or higher on the sidewall.
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