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    Default 205 Gti oil cooler

    Radiator is out of the 205 at the moment and I was surprised to see that the top radiator hose bears a resemblance to that in the automatic Si.
    The hose feeds into a plastic sheath which has two smaller diameter hoses connected to it.
    In the Si these hoses circulate water through a "donut" on the top of the automatic gearbox.
    Purpose reportedly being quick warm up of auto trans oil and cooling of same once under way.
    On my GTi the smaller hoses connect to a block attached to the oil filter which fits down under the front of the engine. Much easier to change oil filters than on the Si.
    As the car has been re-engined (Mi16) I'm guessing that the oil cooling system originated on the Mi16 engine.
    Is that the case or do GTi motors use the same system?

    Since there are no GTi or Mi16 around here for me to check I have to ask here.

    What have other owners with similar conversions elected to do regards oil cooling?
    Use the same system as above or plumb in a conventional oil cooler and disconnect the hoses replacing the top radiator hose with a one piece unit?
    Present system seems overly complex and oil wouldn't be cooled very well when engine working hard I suspect.

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    Just unbolted the thread, used that, screwed the filter on to the block.
    Probably not ideal...but i didnt think it would effect to too much.
    Ive found that the 'oil cooler' tends to leak.
    Though is much easier to change the filter.

    See what others say...

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    i believe it also aids in the heating of the oil for colder climates. my engine runs relatively cool since i recoed the radiator so i was considering putting the heat exchanger back on rather than just having filter screwed to the block and see how it goes.

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    The 205 GTi and Mi16 oil cooler system are completely different and share no parts. The A/C 205 GTi is different again to other GTi's.

    '92 205 Mi16
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    I have found there are no issues with oil cooling to start with. I have removed the oil cooling device and screwed the filter straight onto the block.

    Even on my track days (apart from the oil starvation issues) the oil temp has stayed normal. It would have to be an extreme environment or some serious power to need one.
    ....now watch a Peugeot turn into a corner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    The 205 GTi and Mi16 oil cooler system are completely different and share no parts.

    Ive only got 8 valves in my shed.
    So cant help ya mate sorry.


    ...Only 3 more posts Peter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    The 205 GTi and Mi16 oil cooler system are completely different and share no parts. The A/C 205 GTi is different again to other GTi's.
    Thanks for the quick responses everyone, some helpful information there.

    So Peter which one do I have in mine, 205 GTi or Mi16?

    General consensus so far seems to be remove it.
    Is there a top radiator hose available , single piece to fit in with that?

    What about the hoses from Baker, would the kit contain the top radiator hose with the take off hoses for the cooler block?

    Must agree with others that so far oil temperature has stayed low.
    Screwing the oil filter straight onto the block would certainly reduce the complexity of the present system and potential for leakage but could be a nightmare come oil filter change time.

    Fitting a dedicated oil cooler doesnt seem a popular choice.

    With the present location of the oil filter it gets plenty of air over it so perhaps a finned cover over the oil filter might be a good oil cooler.

    Bring on that 4000th post Peter.

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    If it was working before you considered taking it off...just leave it I say.

    Either way with mine it doesn't bother me. Doesn't seem to increase the oil temperature to any noticeable degree. And changing the filter isn't a worry if you have a filter remover.

    *Noting that I have an 8v...

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    had my oil temp in the red coming up berowra waters road no cooling at all
    The wrong oil is better than no oil at all.

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    I doubt you have an Mi16 setup as it physically doesn't fit. The 205 setup is made of two parts, the remote filter adapter and water-oil intercooler, which screw together and mount on the gearbox. You can unscrew the cooler and just leave the remote filter if desired.

    Another solution is to fit a shorter filter and screw it direct to the block. I can't recall the part number but a search of M20 filters on the Ryco web site will find it.

    Non A/C cars have an oil cooler where the 2nd fan is. On my track car I have the remote filter in its normal position and a 13 row oil cooler where the 2nd fan would be. With careful fitting you can squeeze a smaller cooler in with the 2nd fan.

    '92 205 Mi16
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    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    Thanks for the quick responses everyone, some helpful information there.

    So Peter which one do I have in mine, 205 GTi or Mi16?

    General consensus so far seems to be remove it.
    Is there a top radiator hose available , single piece to fit in with that?

    What about the hoses from Baker, would the kit contain the top radiator hose with the take off hoses for the cooler block?

    Must agree with others that so far oil temperature has stayed low.
    Screwing the oil filter straight onto the block would certainly reduce the complexity of the present system and potential for leakage but could be a nightmare come oil filter change time.

    Fitting a dedicated oil cooler doesnt seem a popular choice.

    With the present location of the oil filter it gets plenty of air over it so perhaps a finned cover over the oil filter might be a good oil cooler.

    Bring on that 4000th post Peter.

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    “Corners: radar free zones.”

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    Peugeot 205 Si, one red one silver, both 1991.
    Peugeot 504 Wagon, V6 and 5 speed gearbox.
    Isuzu (Holden) Rodeo, 4WD dual cab, extended chassis.
    Past: Goliath, Isuzu Bellett, Austin A30, Peugeot 203, 403, 404, 504,505.
    Subaru 4WD wagon, Toyota Hilux Dual Cab Diesel 4WD.
    Nothing to do with warming the oil, it is an oil cooler, the engine is always going to be hotter than the coolant since the heat flows to the coolant from the engine.
    Euro spec GTis have a proper oil to air cooler mounted where the second fan goes on the A/C cars, the A/C cars had to compromise with the water oil job.
    Probably only needed for flat out running something we can't do in this country, get rid of it and fit a JB Camira top house, fits beautifully and $10!
    Mind you JB Camiras are probably rarer than 205s nowadays. Everytime I buy one it is old and been in stock for years.
    Graham

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    On my Gti6 conversion there was a combination of 205 & 306 top hose including the take off's for the standard heat transfer system between the filter & block.

    I picked up an adapter plate so that I could run the 205 thermostat elbow and attach an easily obtainable top hose at both ends with regular hose clamps.

    I get the hose from Austrahose for $60/m and it perfectly divides into two top hoses or one top & two bottom hoses which comes in handy. It's metal reinforced and can bend to a fairly tight radius to avoid your air intake.

    I also added a 13 row oil cooler in front of the fans with a thermostatic take off plate. It probably over cools in general use but it felt like a good idea to future-proof the system.

    Also running a Renault Clio Sport filter which gives a bit more clearance to the rad for oil changes.

    I just go to Nissan/Renault and ask for a 2 litre clio filter, comes in at around $20 which is about half the price of the Ryco equivalent from memory.

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    Have you been eating onions ? : )

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    im seeing double 3d Aussiefrogs - cool
    ....now watch a Peugeot turn into a corner!

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    Default JB Camira top radiator hose

    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    get rid of it and fit a JB Camira top house, fits beautifully and $10!
    Graham
    Thanks Graham
    contacted local Repco and they are getting some in for me.

    Looks like they are discontinuing them as they are selling them off for $3.00 each.
    Good time to stock up.

    Sorry to everyone in Queensland but I have just exhausted the Brisbane stock.

    Paul

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    Onions, yes!

    Does the Camira hose avoid the Mi16 inlet?

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    Paul,
    Let me know if you are throwing out the oil cooler brackets and hoses. I am interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chile View Post
    Paul,
    Let me know if you are throwing out the oil cooler brackets and hoses. I am interested.
    At the moment I will be leaving them in place.
    May just disconnect the coolant flow.
    I like the ease of access to the oil filter with the present setup.

    Paul

    “A straight is merely the distance between two corners.”

    “Corners: radar free zones.”

    Current: Peugeot 205 GTi Mi16 1987
    Peugeot 205 Si, one red one silver, both 1991.
    Peugeot 504 Wagon, V6 and 5 speed gearbox.
    Isuzu (Holden) Rodeo, 4WD dual cab, extended chassis.
    Past: Goliath, Isuzu Bellett, Austin A30, Peugeot 203, 403, 404, 504,505.
    Subaru 4WD wagon, Toyota Hilux Dual Cab Diesel 4WD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigos View Post
    Onions, yes!

    Does the Camira hose avoid the Mi16 inlet?
    not sure what you are asking there Craig

    What feature of the Mi16 inlet are you trying to avoid?

    Paul

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    “Corners: radar free zones.”

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    Peugeot 205 Si, one red one silver, both 1991.
    Peugeot 504 Wagon, V6 and 5 speed gearbox.
    Isuzu (Holden) Rodeo, 4WD dual cab, extended chassis.
    Past: Goliath, Isuzu Bellett, Austin A30, Peugeot 203, 403, 404, 504,505.
    Subaru 4WD wagon, Toyota Hilux Dual Cab Diesel 4WD.

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    Mine takes a kind of corkscrew path to avoid the intake hose.

    Yours might take a more direct path as the Camira hose looks fairly straight?

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    Will see how the hoses match up when they arive.
    If they won't fit the GTi I will use them on the automatic Si s to bypass the"donut" on the auto trans.
    Also have a couple of temperature sensor adaptors which could be used to join together suitable pieces of hose.
    At $3:00 each I don't mind cutting up hoses.

    Paul

    “A straight is merely the distance between two corners.”

    “Corners: radar free zones.”

    Current: Peugeot 205 GTi Mi16 1987
    Peugeot 205 Si, one red one silver, both 1991.
    Peugeot 504 Wagon, V6 and 5 speed gearbox.
    Isuzu (Holden) Rodeo, 4WD dual cab, extended chassis.
    Past: Goliath, Isuzu Bellett, Austin A30, Peugeot 203, 403, 404, 504,505.
    Subaru 4WD wagon, Toyota Hilux Dual Cab Diesel 4WD.

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    I ended up spending the cash on a Baker hose kit for my conversion - http://www.bakerbm.com/205.php?data=schkitgti6205

    It was worth it, solved several conversion issues at once and the silicon handles the extra heat from the 6 engine well. They have kits for other conversions too.

    I also have removed the 8v oil cooling system, filter straight onto the block, and have no issues - track days might be a different story but I haven't managed to get the car out there - yet...

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    Yes one of those Baker hose kits definately on the shopping list.
    Existing hoses have seen better days.
    Retaining the remote oil filter for the moment.
    Not sure if I could access origional oil filter position, definately not from above.
    The slimmer oil filter Peter suggested might be the go.
    Have to see if I can get access from underneath.
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    Yes one of those Baker hose kits definately on the shopping list.
    Existing hoses have seen better days.
    Retaining the remote oil filter for the moment.
    Not sure if I could access origional oil filter position, definately not from above.
    The slimmer oil filter Peter suggested might be the go.
    Have to see if I can get access from underneath.
    Paul
    Easier to access than the 405 Mi16.

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    i have found that the baker hoses ( if you have the blue ones ) fade to yellow after a while. but other than that they are brilliant.

    cheers

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