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    Default Interesting Crysler / Talbot / Peugeot

    Come acros this on ebay the other night. Kinda looks like a Sunbeam but interesting to read.

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    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200747548...84.m1423.l2649
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    Quote Originally Posted by PugMonkey View Post
    Come acros this on ebay the other night. Kinda looks like a Sunbeam but interesting to read.

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200747548...84.m1423.l2649
    Looks like a Peugeot 104 body shell with Chrysler front and rear.

    We have a couple of brand new front doors for a 104 (don't ask me why we have new 104 doors in stock) but they look just like that.
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    David - Why do you have new 104 doors in stock??


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    The Horizon was the new Sunbeam at that time. Except that the Horizon did not have the option of the great 2.2L Lotus engine as found in the "Lotus Sunbeam", which incidentaly was rear wheel drive.

    One of our neighbours had a Horizon back in the early 80's in the UK and after about a year the engine sounded like a washing machine full of spanners.

    The Talbot Samba was the 104 in disguise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat200 View Post
    David - Why do you have new 104 doors in stock??

    I just said, Don't ask me why.

    Honestly I've no idea, just found them packed away somewhere out of sight out of mind. I'm guessing there a part number mistake many many years ago.

    Anyone want any? Selling cheap.
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    Dave,
    The Peugeot 104 wasn't released in Australia because of lack of side intrusion bars on the front doors. But you knew that eh?

    Someone in New Caledonia / Noumea may be interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    Dave,
    The Peugeot 104 wasn't released in Australia because of lack of side intrusion bars on the front doors. But you knew that eh?

    Someone in New Caledonia / Noumea may be interested?
    No I didn't.
    I knew they weren't sold here but I didn't know why. Yes there quite thin come to think of it.

    There was a 104 at this years French Car Festival, my daughter told him about our doors and he said he was coming to see us.

    Might ebay them. There's only 2, both RHF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    No I didn't.
    I knew they weren't sold here but I didn't know why. Yes there quite thin come to think of it.

    There was a 104 at this years French Car Festival, my daughter told him about our doors and he said he was coming to see us.

    Might ebay them. There's only 2, both RHF.
    The main reason was that the agents Renault Aus didn't want competition for the R12, the Peugeot was a luxury model according to them and they looked after the rest with Renaults.
    The 205 Si was the first non up market Peugeot since the 404.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    The main reason was that the agents Renault Aus didn't want competition for the R12, the Peugeot was a luxury model according to them and they looked after the rest with Renaults.
    The 205 Si was the first non up market Peugeot since the 404.
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    That makes more sense to me, still doesn't explain why I have 2 in stock
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    None of the Peugeots had intrusion bars fitted in those days, they had to be installed as part of the ADR process.
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    So, I could take this to Mopar Sunday this year.

    ...A Mopar made in a Peugeot factory.

    ......The Neanderthal's would be pissed!
    ....now watch a Peugeot turn into a corner!

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    Graham,
    Will defer to your reply.
    My source re the side bars was from some time back from what seemed official and clearly explaining the reason for non release of the 104.

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    PugMonkey,
    Think of what our local Simca Vedette with French Ford V8 engine owner comes up against at Chrysler Car Shows?

    No, seriously he's made most welcome.

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    When you come across this particular seller it's always worth checking out his "See other items".

    There's often some real oddities on offer as he seems to have (had) a large collection of the most eclectic vehicles, politely put, and been progressively disposing of them for some years.

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    Renault had no interest whatever in small Peugeots. The economics on cars of that size weren't there. They didn't proceed with their own R5. As well the 104 wasn't the most brilliant of Peugeot designs and was hard to sell in the UK.

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    the 104 zs and the samba rally were probably peugeut first "hot hatches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by le frogg 205 View Post
    the 104 zs and the samba rally were probably peugeut first "hot hatches"
    What's "crazy" about that?
    The rally prepared Sambas had 130 Hp out of 1360 and were very popular in UK Rallying.
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    The 104 was an economy car for people who wouldn't be seen dead in a Renault. It had a a noisy transmission in all gears and a motor that was difficult to do routine work on. Car magazine called it Peugeots first lemon. It lacked the style, charm and practicality of the 204/304. It marked a transition to a new type of front drive car for urban use that had few of the traditional Peugeot virtues. But the 104ZS did have good reviews in the UK even if there were few buyers.

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    I hired one in New Caledonia in 1973 and the way it soaked up the ultra rough roads there was amazing.
    Overseas testers rated it as better than the 504 in that respect.
    However, I found it be not that sharp in the handling and it had a fair bit of body roll. Gear shift wasn't all that pleasant.

    I was over there for the New Caledonian Safari Rally in which we competed in a 504, shipped over from here.
    Towards the end of the event we were passed by a Citroen GS on a very rough road like we were standing still. Fantastic suspension, but why fit a toy engine, this could have been a truly great car and probably would have been if the originally intended rotary had worked out better.

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    When I was at Renault the French factory was making R12's for something over $900 and selling them around $1100. Citroen were considered mad because it was costing them $1100 to build the GS and they were selling it for $1130.

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    Certainly is an ugly duckling, any guess about engine and transmission?
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    That ebay item is for a Horizon which is not the same as a 104, it's a much bigger car.
    The Talbot equivalent of the 104 was the Samba.
    By the way Horizon was the first car sold with an XUD diesel engine.

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    the other interesting thing is that EVS305T would be a "T reg" in the UK which would be correct for a 1979 I think. Is it a UK import still on UK registration plates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    What's "crazy" about that?
    The rally prepared Sambas had 130 Hp out of 1360 and were very popular in UK Rallying.
    Graham
    Off on a tangent a bit but the 1360 enigne was great. The Peugeot Sport head allowed direct port connection with two 45 Webbers and a 4 branch exhaust manifold. This enigne was used in the 104 S [ 5 Door ] and the ZS [ the short 3 door ] power to weight was great. The 1360 was used for over 25 years if not more.

    My first car was a 104 and I had the 1124 engine. It had plenty of room and a good size boot and large rear hatch. The only annoyance was the little two speed fan switch which was located behind the steering wheel on the cowling. The spare wheel was on top of the enigne resting on a frame.

    I did everything on this car myslef including clutch changes and driveshaft seals that had a habit of leaking. The enigne and gearbox oil were shared. It took me around 45 minutes to hoist the engine out, very easy.

    The gearbox never made any noise unless you missed the engine oil change intervals or used cheap oil. It was utterly reliable.


    Here is a good clip on the Talbot Lotus Sunbeam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpde0mbYbrc

    and a 104 ZS Rallye : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGjtm...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselnutjob View Post
    That ebay item is for a Horizon which is not the same as a 104, it's a much bigger car.
    The Talbot equivalent of the 104 was the Samba.
    By the way Horizon was the first car sold with an XUD diesel engine.
    The Chrysler/Simca/Talbot Horizon was the predecessor of the Peugeot 309
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