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    Our 505 executive in our "to good to wreck" page is almost sold pending we can get the sun roof working properly.

    Anyone got any ideas?

    It works but is very slow, we've greased and lubricated the tracks and replaced the motor in the boot and tried another switch.

    What else is there?

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    How much current is the sunroof motor getting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    How much current is the sunroof motor getting?
    Just went and checked that. It has 12v at the motor with the engine off and about 13.5 with it running.
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    David, that doesn't tell us much. We really need to know what voltage is at the motor terminals while the motor is being operated. Putting an ammeter in line with it would also tell us how much current the motor is drawing.

    My concern is that the motor you have put it may not be any better than the one you put in. Most of them are tired by now.

    The other thing that gets a bit tired is the cable itself. They have a grease inside them that over the years goes a bit 'chewy'. You need to pull the roof lining out to get to it though. You can try forcing some spray grease or 'CRC' up the cable, but you run the risk of it spilling inside the roof lining and making a mess.
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    i use silicon spray on the runners of the 604, makes it work a lot better than grease. slipperyer (new spelling )
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    The cable inevitably breaks. Ask me how I know.

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    are the 505 and 604 roof mechanisms the same or different?

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    As far as I know (and I had both, still have 505) absolutely different. 505 is cable operated, and the motor is on the boot, right (passenger) side, behind the side covers, inside of the fender (don't know if the term is correct).

    On the 604, the motor goes inside the roof, on the middle of what is between end of sunroof and end of roof (rear windshield), and is rack and ... not pinion, the other one, that is like a endless thread, don't know its name.

    If broken, on the 604, you can disconnect the rack and operate by hand. On the 505 not.


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    It is simply impractical to expect a petrol motor to get through too much water. That's why God invented diesels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molerpa View Post
    As far as I know (and I had both, still have 505) absolutely different. 505 is cable operated, and the motor is on the boot, right (passenger) side, behind the side covers, inside of the fender (don't know if the term is correct).

    On the 604, the motor goes inside the roof, on the middle of what is between end of sunroof and end of roof (rear windshield), and is rack and ... not pinion, the other one, that is like a endless thread, don't know its name.

    If broken, on the 604, you can disconnect the rack and operate by hand. On the 505 not.
    that's right

    but the roof slides better on the runners (they both have these) if silicone spray is employed instead of grease
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    It is simply impractical to expect a petrol motor to get through too much water. That's why God invented diesels.

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    Why did peugeot change from the simple manual sunroof used on the 504 that nothing much could go wrong with .

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian b View Post
    Why did peugeot change from the simple manual sunroof used on the 504 that nothing much could go wrong with .
    Ha ha your starting to sound like us,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molerpa View Post
    As far as I know (and I had both, still have 505) absolutely different. 505 is cable operated, and the motor is on the boot, right (passenger) side, behind the side covers, inside of the fender (don't know if the term is correct).

    On the 604, the motor goes inside the roof, on the middle of what is between end of sunroof and end of roof (rear windshield), and is rack and ... not pinion, the other one, that is like a endless thread, don't know its name.

    If broken, on the 604, you can disconnect the rack and operate by hand. On the 505 not.
    Thanks for your imput Molerpa but one thing to remember that might confuse us simple Aussies. Our cars are right hand drive so the sunroof motor is on the drivers side not the passengers.

    Hey, people here can't work out which is left and right on there car, drivers side and passenger side is sometimes the only way to get through to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demannu View Post
    David, that doesn't tell us much. We really need to know what voltage is at the motor terminals while the motor is being operated. Putting an ammeter in line with it would also tell us how much current the motor is drawing.

    My concern is that the motor you have put it may not be any better than the one you put in. Most of them are tired by now.

    The other thing that gets a bit tired is the cable itself. They have a grease inside them that over the years goes a bit 'chewy'. You need to pull the roof lining out to get to it though. You can try forcing some spray grease or 'CRC' up the cable, but you run the risk of it spilling inside the roof lining and making a mess.
    Yeah both motors spun at the same speed on a battery, maybe thats all it is, maybe we need a third motor. I'll try some silicone grease down the tracks but I'm not pulling the head lining out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Yeah both motors spun at the same speed on a battery, maybe thats all it is, maybe we need a third motor. I'll try some silicone grease down the tracks but I'm not pulling the head lining out.
    The problem is that they're probably all going to be slow. The brushes in the motor gum up and don't make good contact with the commutator, and the gaps in the commutator build up with carbon dust from the brushes, effectively partially shorting out the rotor. I pulled one apart yeeeeeears ago and cleaned it all up and it was great again, but I don't really remember how much of a pain it was to do it. Could be simple, could be more trouble than it's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Our cars are right hand drive so the sunroof motor is on the drivers side not the passengers.
    When I red this, I felt the most stupid on the entire world.
    And... I entered back here just to correct that... too late.


    Quote Originally Posted by luthier View Post
    It is simply impractical to expect a petrol motor to get through too much water. That's why God invented diesels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molerpa View Post
    When I red this, I felt the most stupid on the entire world.
    And... I entered back here just to correct that... too late.
    Don't worry about it your not the most stupid in the entire world. I'm in the motor trade I could write a book about stupid people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demannu View Post
    The problem is that they're probably all going to be slow. The brushes in the motor gum up and don't make good contact with the commutator, and the gaps in the commutator build up with carbon dust from the brushes, effectively partially shorting out the rotor. I pulled one apart yeeeeeears ago and cleaned it all up and it was great again, but I don't really remember how much of a pain it was to do it. Could be simple, could be more trouble than it's worth.
    Chris (CAV91) my son has one motor pulled apart now and is cleaning it out. It seems to spin better on the bench.
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    Thanks,

    check the wire. Is easy to remove. Move the sunroof to the top closed position, then, remove cover, take 2 10mm nuts (or 11), remove clip of the wire, remove motor, turn by hand (I think counter clockwise), to release the 4-5 cm left on the gear. Then it is loose. Pull from it, remove it completely, clean (diesel would be the best) and grease it, but SLIGHTLY, or use teflon-based lubricant, and repeat it inverse order.


    Quote Originally Posted by luthier View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Just went and checked that. It has 12v at the motor with the engine off and about 13.5 with it running.
    Hi David, what were you using as your earth point when taking that measurement, ie was the 12V across the motor terminals, or somewhere else? Just thinking it could possibly be a wiring issue rather than a problem with the motor. You could check the voltage difference between the motor -ve and a good earth point on the body, if it is good it should be zero or very close to zero. Note I have no experience with these motors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demannu View Post
    but I don't really remember how much of a pain it was to do it.
    So it must have been a massive pain then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uffee View Post
    So it must have been a massive pain then.
    Yes, I suspect I may have suppressed the memory!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Don't worry about it your not the most stupid in the entire world. I'm in the motor trade I could write a book about stupid people.

    A qualified mechanic rang looking for a gearbox for a 4wd Renault Scenic and he asked if 2wd was the same
    G'day,
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    Quote Originally Posted by pug206gti View Post
    G'day,
    for a more comprehensive list of stupid people, have a look at ...

    http://clientsfromhell.net/

    and you will see how really stupid some people can be..


    I can top that
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    This is another wrecking yard near us who do prestige cars. He asked for part for a 206 and I told him to get the VIN, we need to check the clients VIN.
    He rang back a few minutes later and said he'd checked the clients VIN against all the 206's in his yard and none matched and wondered if our did.

    I sat quiet for a second or 2 and thought, just as well they didn't, I wonder what would have happened if they did.
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