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    Hi all

    I found this forum when searching around for 307 info.

    I've found a 2005 307 Hdi SXR for sale and want to know some info on this model. It's $10K - so first question is the price reasonable. I've checked the valuation sites and it's in the ball park.

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    I live 300km from the vehicle and without going to visit i am wondering if an RACQ check is Ok to do or should i find a Peugout mechanic in the area to check it over for me.

    Never owned a European car so this is a is all new to me. Hubby is ex mechanic and has reservations about parts pricing and servicing cost.

    It's a diesel, which is what i am after, but have never owned a diesel before.

    Anyway any feedback would be much appreciated

    Cathy

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    hi Cathy
    that price is the going rate still i'd tend to advise a petrol engine.
    regarding diesel as unfriendly since diesel fumes in proximity to children is adverse.
    My 307 1.6 petrol is a really good engine and surprisingly nimble, albeit with less torque than my 1.9 GTI 205 which has a potent cornering nouse and snappy acceleration.

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    thanks Tadpole

    Interested in your comment about diesels, my kids are 29 & 27 and have their hmmph... commodores... so this car is just for me.

    bad effects for adults too?

    C

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    I have a 2007 Pug 307 diesel.

    I seem to have become sensitive to petrol fumes - I get a terrible headache when filling up petrol cars.
    I have no such problem with the diesel car - the diesel stinks much less.

    The diesel fuel does seem to drip from the nozzle for a while after filling up, I always leave it to drip for about 10 to 15 seconds before removing the nozzle from the fuel inlet. Saves getting fuel on your hands.

    I think the Pug 307 is a very good car - mine is now 5 years old and it is still a lovely car to drive. My partner now has a brand new Ford Focus diesel as a work car, it has some lovely features but I still prefer the Peugeot to drive.

    Check some parts and servicing prices yourself - phone around and chase up some prices. Parts prices don't seem too bad overall for regular maintenance items. You can get non-genuine parts from European parts specialists for well under teh Peugeot price.

    The later cars, post 2006 with the "ugly" wide mouth grille, like mine, had some revisions which should make it more reliable. The early 307 had some major reliability problems - though I know 2 people with them, and they both say their cars are great.

    the diesels are fantastic to drive - I would never go back to petrol power. Fuel economy is great too - I average around 1100km per tank of fuel. That's averaging 5 to 5.5 litres per 100km. Real world, not just official figures.

    Gripes... - they ride pretty hard - Peugeots used to be famous for their comfy ride, but not 307s. But lots of new cars are like that - partner's Focus is similar...

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    Thanks Simca for that review

    One of the reasons i want a diesel is the economy and the power of diesel engines - feedback from other diesel engine owners (different brands tho). Having been looking for a diesel vehicle in this price range for a few months now. Starting looking for an Astra and then broadened my search to include Euro brands.

    Again interesting comments re the fuel - have no experience - yet hear what ppl say will ask my brother who had the astra diesel. Although guys probably don't notice these things as much .. must ask my SIL she would give me a better idea.

    Re reliability - how early are you indicating the reliabilty issue? This is a 2005.. hence my question about having it checked out. No point in buying if there are $1000s worth of work to be done.

    Thanks again for the info

    C

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    The 307 is actually a very good car. It was Car of the Year in Europe back in 2002 and we use to have a 2004 model that was great.

    Its a roomy car that works well on both short and long trips. Yes, there were electrical gremlins in the early versions but our 307 was without fault in the 3 years we owned it, we bought it used..

    The Hdi engines are excellent and Peugeot [ PSA ] is one of the top Diesel manufacturers in the world.

    I am not sure what dangers, if any, Diesel poses to children as the emission levels on the Hdi's are lower than most petrol engines. I think children will be more harmed by mobile phone use, a bad diet and lack of excercise as opposed to any interaction with Diesel
    I have had a large number of Diesel cars since the late 80's and we are all fine....

    Economy is a given and if this is going to be your first Diesel you will have to get used to going around roundabouts in 3rd of 4th gears and still being able to pull away at very low revs. This also makes for a stress free drive and your servcie station attendant will not know you on a first name basis

    A 2005 model is going to be a lot better than an early 307 in terms of reliability.

    Which Hdi engine is in the 307 you are looking at ? 1.6 or 2.0 Hdi ? How many kms ?

    Buying used means you will have to do your homework and get checks done. This applies to any car as it will only be as good as the maintenance and care offered by the previous owner/s.

    I would suggest the following steps;

    1] Get the Rego details from the owner and ask who has been looking after the car and when it was last serviced. Call the garage and simply explain that you are looking to buy this car and would like to know if there have been any issues

    2] Ask for better pictures of the interior, enigne and front wheels / tyres. A badly worn outside edge of the tyre = bad driver. Mixed tyre brands also mean that the owner has spent very little money on the car which would include maintenance.

    3] On the top of headlight housing, under the bonnet, you will find a sticker which will have a date on it. Make sure that the date corresponds on both headlights by no more than 15 days. If there is a year difference or more than it has been replaced. If the car is 2005 so should be the headlights.... This is a good way of finding out if its been in a crash.

    4] Side windows all have a code on them. The last or bottom numbers should all be the same on all door windows. This is a production date code and agin if they are not, the glass has been replaced. Ask Why ?

    5] Get the RACQ check done. Its well worth the money if you do not want to take a risk with any car.

    If everything checks out and the car is good change the oil, oil filter, fuel filter and air filter and don't skimp on the parts and oil. Get the best. It pays dividens in the long run.

    The most important parts on any car are the tyres. Not only will a good set of tyres improve the economy and ride quality but they could save your life compared to some cheap Asian brand. The first thing I did when I bought our 207 SW Hdi was to chuck the cheap front tyres and replace them with a good safe premium brand. The result is that I can now enter a roundabout at almost 10kmh higher on a wet day and not slide in comparison to the cheap Asians...

    Good Luck !

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    Had a 2004 307 1.6lt Petrol Hatch (or more to the point, my GF at the time - now wife - bought it) . Gutless, and terrible changes from the Auto. And a few reliability / quality issues, but only ever off the road once.

    Replaced it with a late (one of the last to be sold) 307 2lt auto Hdi wagons in Feb 2009 (new), when we had our first child & were looking at a second - we needed a bigger car. What a car! Can't recommend it highly enough. Reliable to a fault, powerful & effortless due to all that torque, a great transmission, and plenty of room to do family trips. To be fair, we've only put 60,000ish on it so far, but the signs are looking good that it will last well......

    I think the key to buying these things used is to look for a sympathetic pervious owner who has cared for the car, and a complete & fastidious service history from a pug expert - either a dealer, or specialist. Some of the dealers out there are NOT experts, so do your homework with that in mind.

    Overall, the later T6 incarnation of the 307 is a great car..... Alot of bad press for being very unlike it's predecessor, and some quality issues (well documented) with the earlier T5 cars....

    Tell hubby that while service costs ARE higher, the intervals are longer, which pretty much cancels out the problem, and makes it more conveniant - less servicing overall.

    My only minor criticism is that due to the high torque, they eat front tyres for breakfast - and lunch & dinner. As above, good tyres are essential on these cars.
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    thanks wombat and 908.

    Have organised the RACQ check and intend ringing the mechanic whose name has been provided by the owner. She tells me it has been serviced by European car specialists, tyres have been changed and road noise is not an issue. She has been very accommodating and I am hoping that this bodes well for a good report from the RACQ and the mechanic.

    The check is on Monday so will let you know the results. Anxious weekend for me.....

    C

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    You could find more info about your car at http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com
    You must have a free account. After logging in, you must insert the VIN and you can access a lot of documentation and spare parts' prices.

    Our diesel engines (common rail) could be found on Mazda, Ford, Mini, Citroen, Volvo cars - maybe you can find cheap equivalent parts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_DLD_engine#DLD-416)
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    one more thing - These diesels need a special engine oil. It's because they have a diesel particulate filter in the exhaust.
    Do a search on this forum, you will find plenty of info about that.

    Peugeot's recommended oil is Total Quartz INEO ECS. It is available through any Peugeot spare parts desk, but not all Peugeot dealers use the oil when they service the cars. Cost is about $70 for 5 litres, which sounds expensive but is cheaper than a new engine. The 1.6 diesels in particular are said to be very fussy about the right oil. (I have the 1.6 manual diesel, it's great.)

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    Diesel or petrol no problems. Just avoid the auto. And if you really really want an auto... you have been warned.

    Brake switch is a common problem but most have probably been replaced by now and other than that they are a great little car. A bit of a "Tardis", as they are surprisingly roomy.

    They are a bit harsh over sharp bumps which is very un-Peugeot like but on smooth surfaces have excellent road holding and are very 'engaging' to drive. Steering is very communicative.
    The downside is they can be more expensive than many to keep at their best.
    They benefit from premium tyres and fuel.

    Find a good mechanic who knows them well and befriend him. This will help keep costs to a minimum, as will research and posting on this forum.

    I paid good money for mine and don't skimp on keeping it up to scratch. This costs me significantly more than a Corolla would, but the resulting driving pleasure is worth it.



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    Morpheus, the Aisin 6spd auto in our 307 has given us no problems, shifts smooth(almost imperceptibly) and kicks down quickly - I rarely bother to put it in sport mode....

    The AL4 from the earlier cars was a different story - and worth avoiding.....

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    The Aisin gearboxes are very good and are used in a wide variety of cars. Although I thought the Aisin in the 307 was a 5 speed auto

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    The Aisin gearboxes are very good and are used in a wide variety of cars. Although I thought the Aisin in the 307 was a 5 speed auto
    No, Peugeot have never offered a 5sp auto.
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    Hi Cathy,
    Make sure you ONLY use B.P fuel.

    Pekay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pekay49 View Post
    Hi Cathy,
    Make sure you ONLY use B.P fuel.

    Pekay.
    Why, do you have shares in BP?
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    Sorry Dave-Good question- No shares in B.P. but in speaking to Grant -Peugeots chief tech guy [hope that is his correct title] they have found it -let's say the most advisable.I know they do have a vested interest in their product& am sure they are entitled to advise customers as to which is/are the the best available in their opinion.
    I am sure you would also be much happier being able to sell a replacement pump or part or pump that will not become a 'Boomerang'.A little like I am sure you would not sell some one -or advise them to use a Ryco filter on a 'Frogmobile'.
    Interestingly enough I had heard on the grapevine some years ago that Mobil did not want to succumb to the upcoming cost of the necessary in ground fuel tank replacement & so began selling their Retail Outlets.
    I had been thinking that the Mobil @ Sydenham was still flying the Mobil flag & wondering how much longer that would remain.As I was driving down the road that you used to know so well last Friday to see those wonderful people @ French Connection I noticed that it had been shut down -looked like maybe for a major reno.Will be interesting to 'watch that space'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    No, Peugeot have never offered a 5sp auto.
    Just looked into the specs and you're right. The AL4 [ 4 speed autoadaptive ] and the AM6 [ 6 speed auto ] automatics were offered in the 307. We use to have a BE4 5 speed Manual. Too many cars over the years...

    Interestingly the AM6 6 Speed auto is used in the 407 2.7 V6 Hdi and in the 607 3.0 V6 Petrol. So it should last the test of time in a 307.

    Out of all the cars owned over the years we have only had two automatics.

    I have scheduled the purchase of the next automatic car on my 90th birthday.
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    I'd say $10k for a 2005 (T5) is pretty top dollar unless it has very lows kms on it...the T6 was supposedly better particularly with the electricla gremlins the early ones had.
    We've got a 2006 T6 HDI 2.0 6 speed manual....bought it with 196000ks on it very very cheaply, did the work it needed for rego, put 25,000ks on it in a year incl rough country roads , did nothing but an oil/filter change all year and it needed a number plate light globe for rego....1000+kms on a tank ...around 5.9 average all year. And the T6 16 valve flies

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    I just wonder when people talk about the servicing costs and keeping it up to scratch by taking to the dealer...what is (or can be) involved in a "service"
    apart from oil and filters and once every 90 to 180,000 a timing belt?
    I do my own...correct DPF oil @$80, filters (oil, fuel air ) about $50...reset service light.....I think your being conned to be honest about this "service"...its one bolt to let the oil out and 2 bolts to change the filters.
    I do mine every 10k, service recommended every 20k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuartb View Post
    I just wonder when people talk about the servicing costs and keeping it up to scratch by taking to the dealer...what is (or can be) involved in a "service"
    apart from oil and filters and once every 90 to 180,000 a timing belt?
    I do my own...correct DPF oil @$80, filters (oil, fuel air ) about $50...reset service light.....I think your being conned to be honest about this "service"...its one bolt to let the oil out and 2 bolts to change the filters.
    I do mine every 10k, service recommended every 20k.
    The secret is resetting the service light. A very closely guarded secret, people think it has to go to Peugeot to be reset so they do. If they knew how easy it was they'd never get it serviced.

    I've heard that the latest Volvo's need to be put in "sleep mode" before you change the oil otherwise they won't start and then it's a tow truck to the dealer to be reset, thankfully French cars arent that bad yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    The secret is resetting the service light. A very closely guarded secret, people think it has to go to Peugeot to be reset so they do. If they knew how easy it was they'd never get it serviced.

    I've heard that the latest Volvo's need to be put in "sleep mode" before you change the oil otherwise they won't start and then it's a tow truck to the dealer to be reset, thankfully French cars arent that bad yet.
    ahah....if you cant see it in the owners manual...very difficult eh...off to a "special training class"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhhGfh_9bXY

    I dont think its only the car that gets "serviced"
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    if you're worried about parts pricing think yourself lucky you dont own a Subaru....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuartb View Post
    I just wonder when people talk about the servicing costs and keeping it up to scratch by taking to the dealer...what is (or can be) involved in a "service"
    apart from oil and filters and once every 90 to 180,000 a timing belt?
    I do my own...correct DPF oil @$80, filters (oil, fuel air ) about $50...reset service light.....I think your being conned to be honest about this "service"...its one bolt to let the oil out and 2 bolts to change the filters.
    I do mine every 10k, service recommended every 20k.
    Stuart, if you're referring to my comments on costs, I was not so much referring to servicing (I find my mechanic very reasonable in that area), but more just keeping the car in fine, reliable trim. That is, good quality, fuel, oil, tyres, etc. With a toyota, you can throw anything at it and it will be fine. Crap fuel, crap oil, miss the odd service... This is not recommended with anything European.
    I also like things to work and work properly, so if something is not quite right, I want it fixed, and properly. No skimping.
    I used to do all my own servicing on my vehicles but have got to the age when I'm over it. I'd rather pay someone to crawl under the bloody thing. And I can afford it.
    If price was an issue, i'd put up with a Toyota.



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    Here's the end of the story. I bought the car in question, checked over everything recommended here plus RACQ check. Only issue is the that one of the splash guards under the front left guard is missing. So I will be finding one of those.

    Drove home from Brisbane in the rain yesterday and was very pleased. Felt like a bigger car than it really is. Still learning all the dials and buttons and currently reading the manual.

    Thank you to everyone for the advice and suggestions, this really helped me.

    See you around here in future.

    Thanks a million

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