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    Default A 504 Question

    Just wondering if all local (aust) cars had the 4 round h/lights?
    I like the look of the one piece h/light I have seen and presume to be Euro cars..
    If so can I change the headlight setup easily...and can the h/lights be bought here or do I have to shop o/s?
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    The 504 was introduced to Australia with the trapezoid lights and the injection had the kangarou light with inbuilt driving lamps. The twin headlights were introduced in 1973 with cheap low quality Australian made lamps.

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    Default Throwing some more light on this

    [QUOTE=Russell Hall;1043876]The 1800cc 504 was introduced to Australia with the trapezoid lights and the injection had the kangaroo light with inbuilt driving lamps. The twin headlights were introduced in 2000cc 1973 with (cheap low quality?) Australian made Lucas lamps. My 1973 Ti had Lucas 85watt Halogen sealed high beam units from new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Hall View Post
    The 504 was introduced to Australia with the trapezoid lights and the injection had the kangarou light with inbuilt driving lamps. The twin headlights were introduced in 1973 with cheap low quality Australian made lamps.
    My "cheap, low quality" low beams have lasted the life of the car! The high beams would probably have done the same but I changed them for 100w Hella halogens about twenty years ago.
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    So far as I know, we went to the four round headlights to help comply with Australian local content requirements so I'm not sure that "cheapness" had anything to do wth it.

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    I used to like the round headlights. They threw out a nice wide beam. And they're cheap to replace if they get broken. The trapezoidal ones are hard to come by ( these days) and expensive to replace.
    My advice would be to keep the round ones.
    You can upgrade the high beam round lights to some pretty bright ones ( equivalent to Cessna landing lights, actually), but be aware if you're doing 100 Ks on a country road with really bright high beams, and have to dip your lights, sometimes you momentarily can't see where you're going.
    When I had trapezoidal lights I always wanted round ones like on my previous car !

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    The early 2 litre cars also had trapezoids. I believe that local content was a factor but cheapness was the main motivation. They were a great disappointment compared to the trapezoids. I don't know what the injections were fitted with.

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    One of our 504's had twin headlights with Cibies for both high and low beam. They were brilliant. Even old Holden HZ's had Hella twin lights and these were also an easy and cheap fit to the twin headlight setup. Those were the days when one could go to a wreckers and find a set of twin lights in almost any car, my Cibies I found in a Dato 1600 and only paid $10 for them about ten years ago.
    You may even be able to find well priced new ones at an Off Road place eg. IPF or Hella are often in stock. Look for semi sealed so you have greater choice of bulbs.
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    If you want impressive headlights on a 504 it's hard to go past a Q4631 sealed beam or two, 13V, 250W, perfect beam spread. Just make sure your wiring is thick and you have a strong alternator and heavy duty relays for each filament (at least 25 amp). It's better than driving in daylight!

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    I have the trapazoid biodes [built in driving light] and they are still up there with modern lights. They are, however, very scarce and expensive and you need a few fidly bits of plastic,springs etc. to fit them. They look good but good inserts in both the high and low beam of the round ones are as good and much cheaper as mentioned above. Neil

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil s View Post
    I have the trapazoid biodes [built in driving light] and they are still up there with modern lights. They are, however, very scarce and expensive and you need a few fidly bits of plastic,springs etc. to fit them. They look good but good inserts in both the high and low beam of the round ones are as good and much cheaper as mentioned above. Neil
    My '83 wagon had a set in them too, and I didn't think to swap them out before it went on eBay to Africa. Bugger!
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    I'm not too concerned with the lights effeciancy as it will be a club car & not driven every day..
    I think the trapezoid light looks the best and I hope to get a set to fit to my 504..
    anyone out there got a couple?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Hall View Post
    The early 2 litre cars also had trapezoids. I believe that local content was a factor but cheapness was the main motivation. They were a great disappointment compared to the trapezoids. I don't know what the injections were fitted with.
    The injections had 75 w sealed beams.
    When the twin headlight models came out I stopped lusting after new 504s, the trapezoidal lights were part of the styling just as the painted headlight rims were on the 404.

    Graham

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    Can probably find a pair of good ones (traps) pretty easily over here in NZ for you.

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    A word of warning about trapezoids. The fixing glue for the lens isn't up to the task. After a few years the lens falls out and you run over it. Had it happen to mine.An added hazard for teachers is if you're working at scumbag college the lamps are a tempting target and easy to kick in (happened to mine).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    The injections had 75 w sealed beams.
    When the twin headlight models came out I stopped lusting after new 504s, the trapezoidal lights were part of the styling just as the painted headlight rims were on the 404.

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    My 1979 504 has Hella H4 round headlights, four highbeams. They are excellent. I have a set of Chinese trapezoidals for the TI, just for the look. I don't expect them to be particularly good.
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    Ryans in Elizabeth St were Cibie agents and I bought a couple of biodes there.
    1973 was not only the year of the four headlights but when Renault put a rocket under 504 prices. In October 1972 I bought a new 504 with French seats for $4150 on road. Went to buy another in August 1973 and the price was close to $6000. Didn't take much to get a $600 discount. But what an increase. I never thought the 1973 car to be the equal of the earlier one.

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    I have a pair of trapezoids in the rally car for the look, and have fitted an HID kit to them for the light out put.
    Its the best of both worlds.
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    In aus the round lights were fitted for local content and cost reasons ,in the USA all cars sold there had to have sealed beam lights that could be replaced from any service station . They came in round or square . They ruined the look of many euopean cars ,like citroen Ds and Sm which couldn,t have swivelling lights or perspex covers . Clessics with Euro lights in Us are sought after now

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    If anyone comes up with a good pair I'd be grateful....
    even across the ditch !!
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