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    Hi folks,
    im now on here and am currently researching the 508 2.0 Allure wagon.
    I really liked this car at the Melb motorshow last year and some months ago took one for a brief test drive - my impression was a positive one but for some reason kept getting caught up thinking its a re-badged Mondeo wagon.

    a long way down the track and im back onto the Allure Touring and have only seen 2 on the road and yesterday saw a black on driving the sth easter fwy and i think it looked sensational, classy and less Mondeo like that I have previously thought.

    So in going through some older posts here i dont see much on the 508.

    Does anyone have one? driven one? any known issues?
    I would love to get some feedback from an owner, someone who has driven one or even services/maintaines them.

    thanks in advance...

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    I have a friend who has a black 508 wagon, though I'm not sure what engine it has -- does an auto box tell you anything? He is VERY pleased with it, notwithstanding some 8 weeks when he wasn't able to drive it (fresh out of the box) due to some bizarre undiagnosable electrical problem. I didn't like to say so, but I think it could have been an issue of dealer competence ...

    And for all that the Mondeo isn't grand-pa's Foulcarn any more, it's still not a patch on the 508 in the wild, which I've always though looks brilliant as either a sedan or wagon ...
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    Welcome to AF matyboy.

    You are not quite correct in your rebadging. It's a rebadged C5! That'll stir the Pugilists along.

    I have a 2009 C5 HDi with 6sp auto and LOVE it. If you bought the 508 you would get the more powerful 2l engine that is now in the C5 and 508. Heaps of power for normal use. If you were continually lugging large loads you may wish to go to the V6, but is it really necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    Welcome to AF matyboy.

    You are not quite correct in your rebadging. It's a rebadged C5! That'll stir the Pugilists along.

    I have a 2009 C5 HDi with 6sp auto and LOVE it. If you bought the 508 you would get the more powerful 2l engine that is now in the C5 and 508. Heaps of power for normal use. If you were continually lugging large loads you may wish to go to the V6, but is it really necessary.
    V6 ?? Where ?

    The 508 is a a few steps above a Mondeo. In fact the Mondeo has the Peugeot Diesel engine as do Volvo, Land Rover, Range Rover, Jaguar, Mini.... etc But I prefer the original.

    Last year I was lucky enough to drive both the 2.0 Hdi and the 2.2 Hdi. The 2.0 Hdi is more than adequate and has great flexibility. The price for the 2.0 Hdi Allure is good value. Even more so when you haggle for a deal.
    Its a really comfortable car but the ride is a bit on the firm side when new especially with the larger wheel options. The 2.2 Hdi is 4 cylinders but has to be driven to be believed. Its faster than most V6's but there is a premium and I don't think its yet available in Oz..

    The quality is top notch and I would compare it more to an Audi than a Ford. Its better than the VW Passat and an Audi is just a VW with cosmetics and a better wardrobe...

    The 508 grows on you. I don't think you would be dissapointed.

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    I drove one very briefly a couple of weeks back, Mrs. eatpeople04 got one as a loaner while her 307 was in the workshop. Not sure which model I had, but it had a turbo petrol motor if that helps

    Anyway, I was very impressed. Cabin quality felt great, I was very comfy inside. The ride was maybe a little on the hard side, but I may have been expecting too much 505ishness

    I had my doubts about the small engines they were fitting to these, but was very impressed with the power available. If they made a hotted up touring version with 4WD (ala Subaru Liberty) I would probably be re-mortgaging my (or anyone elses) house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatpeople04 View Post
    I drove one very briefly a couple of weeks back, Mrs. eatpeople04 got one as a loaner while her 307 was in the workshop. Not sure which model I had, but it had a turbo petrol motor if that helps

    Anyway, I was very impressed. Cabin quality felt great, I was very comfy inside. The ride was maybe a little on the hard side, but I may have been expecting too much 505ishness

    I had my doubts about the small engines they were fitting to these, but was very impressed with the power available. If they made a hotted up touring version with 4WD (ala Subaru Liberty) I would probably be re-mortgaging my (or anyone elses) house.

    The only petrol engine in the 508 at this time is a 1.6 L THP 150 [ 115kw ] with a 6 speed auto. 0-100 in atround 9s and uses around 7L/100km on average.

    There is a nice 4WD tourer that will hopefully make it to Oz. The 508 RXH [ Hybrid ].
    It has around 150Kw and 450NM of torque from its Diesel Hybrid engine. Forget the Prius, Petrol Hybrids are yesterdays news.... This car has an all electric mode that has twice the range of a Prius and with V8 Torque from only 1600 rpm it should be fun too.

    Being a Peugeot you will not need to re-mortgage your house either

    http://www.peugeot.co.uk/vehicles/pe...ugeot-508-rxh/

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    Ok, this is a bit weird.

    I was about to reply that the towing capacity wasn't going to be enough, having just checked the Touring Allure HDi's specs which say 1300kgs. (We need to tow a boat, even our 307 has 1500kgs)

    ...Then I checked the petrol turbo's specs, and it says 1800kgs?



    Either way, I have been keeping up with the HYbrid4 drivetrain development, it seems to have just enough 4WDness to keep me happy (ie be able to pull the boat up a slippery/loose surface) but will still need to save a lot of pennies before looking at a brand-spanker.

    Might needs to go drive one though...
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    Just looked at the 508 SW specs and yes you're right, there it is in black & White... 1300 Kg max braked trailer for the 2.0 Hdi 6 Speed auto

    The manual verions are all 1790 Kg and the 2.2 Hdi auto is 1900 Kg.

    Looks like either the 6 speed auto on the 2.0 Hdi is made from jelly or the specs are wrong. It sounds like the specs are out as 500-600 kg is just too big a difference...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    The only petrol engine in the 508 at this time is a 1.6 L THP 150 [ 115kw ] with a 6 speed auto. 0-100 in atround 9s and uses around 7L/100km on average.
    Pug still carrying on the 5-Oh tradition of under powering the cars (in petrol guise at least)

    They need to take a leaf out of BMW's books and give people more power! We aren't all obsessed with fuel consumption.

    I'd rather spend less time on the opposite side of the road when overtaking a b-double than saving 1 litre per 100km!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BentEight504 View Post
    Pug still carrying on the 5-Oh tradition of under powering the cars (in petrol guise at least)

    They need to take a leaf out of BMW's books and give people more power! We aren't all obsessed with fuel consumption.

    I'd rather spend less time on the opposite side of the road when overtaking a b-double than saving 1 litre per 100km!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BentEight504 View Post
    Pug still carrying on the 5-Oh tradition of under powering the cars (in petrol guise at least)

    They need to take a leaf out of BMW's books and give people more power! We aren't all obsessed with fuel consumption.

    I'd rather spend less time on the opposite side of the road when overtaking a b-double than saving 1 litre per 100km!
    Its funny how on the road Peugeot have conservative power outputs whereas on the track its BMW that's under powered and outclassed.....

    If only Peugeot Sport were allowed to play with some of the road cars...

    BMW have the M and Peugeot could have the PS. I think a nice 508 with a 405kw 3.7 V8 Hdi would be a good start. Perhaps a 508 PSR could have the 550kw 5.5 V12 Hdi

    In theory there is nothing stopping Peugeot [ PSA ] producing a twin turbo 3.0L V6 petrol but the 3.0 V6 Hdi does everything so well its made the the V6 petrol obselete.

    The 208 Gti will be fun but Peugeot are now concentarting on the future with Diesel Hybrids and electric cars. See the 508 RXH and the Ion.

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    The ride of the 508 is way too firm and jittery in my opinion. But that's coming from Peugeots and Renaults. If you come out of a new Benz or BMW, you'll probably think the ride is normal.
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    The 508 touring is the ideal replacement for our 307 touring (kids are getting bigger, damn them), but I wish the GTi engine was available accross the board...... or that they made a GTi wagon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat200 View Post
    The 508 touring is the ideal replacement for our 307 touring (kids are getting bigger, damn them), but I wish the GTi engine was available accross the board...... or that they made a GTi wagon....
    The 508 GT 4 cylinder 2.2 Hdi is more powerful, has a lot more torque and uses less fuel. If you want more power wait for the 3.0 V6 Hdi. Hopefully both these version will come to Oz.

    Compared to Europe we are 15-20 years behind modern Diesel car use and understanding. In fact over there its the Petrol engine that is becoming the minority.


    Here is a clip of the 508 2.0 Hdi in Europe.

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    I was under the impression that the 2.2 GT was going to be the biggest engine?

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    PSA are already using the 3.0 V6 Hdi in the Citroen C5 in Europe so its only a matter of time before it is offered in the 508. It looks like there will be a power hike for the 3.0 Hdi this year so this may be why its not in the 508 yet.

    This is the same engine that powers the Land Rover Discovery, Range Rover Sport and the Diesel Jaguar.

    We will most probably get the 2.2 Hdi first. I drove the 508 GT 2.2 Hdi in Europe last year and its very torquey. 450 NM at 1700 rpm in fact. The acceleration from 130 to 200 kmh would make you think there is something much bigger under the bonnet. So for Oz its fast enough to loose you licence if you're not careful... And all this with only 7.4L/100km on average. On the motorway I was getting 6.2L/100km and was not in economy mode...

    The auto gearbox on the 2.2 Hdi is a perfect match to the engines output and characteristics.

    The price difference between the 2.0 hdi and the 2.2 Hdi GT in the UK was around 5000 GBP or 7500 AUD.

    I would get the 2.0 Hdi and install a power chip...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    PSA are already using the 3.0 V6 Hdi in the Citroen C5 in Europe so its only a matter of time before it is offered in the 508.
    I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    I don't think so.
    The V6 3.0 Hdi 240 has been in the C5 since 2009. Like I said the 3.0 Hdi is due a power hike this year. On the dyno it has already produced 275 HP without problems. Its the gearbox that will need beefing up. This is something that PSA are working on now.

    The 3.0 PSA DT17 TD produces 600NM in the Land Rover Discovery.

    I am betting on a 260 HP 550+NM 3.0 V6 Hdi in the 508 in the future.

    If the C5 & C6 are good enough for a 3.0 Hdi, so is a 508. Its a no Brainer.

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    [QUOTE=908HDI;1044515]The V6 3.0 Hdi 240 has been in the C5 since 2009.

    There are at least two (2) 407 coupes in Australia at present with the V6 3.0 Hdi 240 motor, and yes why would Peugeot have put that gearbox into them? It appears to go Ok in mine, though I would not be surprised to find bits of the box lying all over the ground after 10 or so years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    The V6 3.0 Hdi 240 has been in the C5 since 2009.

    There are at least two (2) 407 coupes in Australia at present with the V6 3.0 Hdi 240 motor, and yes why would Peugeot have put that gearbox into them? It appears to go Ok in mine, though I would not be surprised to find bits of the box lying all over the ground after 10 or so years.
    ... within 3 months of the factory warranty expiring bits will start falling off, if not before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    If only Peugeot Sport were allowed to play with some of the road cars...

    In theory there is nothing stopping Peugeot [ PSA ] producing a twin turbo 3.0L V6 petrol but the 3.0 V6 Hdi does everything so well its made the the V6 petrol obselete.
    Therein lies one of the chief reasons that the brand is near death: their diesels are too dirty to sell in North America, but without a gas V-6 they'd have no chance here. Stupid, inward-looking, domestic market thinking. Their V-6 gas engine should have been retained, they should have taken a serious crack at North America and if all of this had happened 10 years ago, I bet they would be feeling a lot better right about now.

    A 1600kg barge with a 1.6 is just a flaming joke, I am sorry. A small hatch engine in a huge bus of a car? LOL

    If Peugeot made long-distance coaches, they probably would put their new three cylinder in it.
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    VW passat: 1.6 tdi
    Skoda Superb: 1.6 tdi
    Volvo S80: 1.6 D

    so why not a 1.6 in a 508
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    Because none of those cars are sold in North America with the puny-ass little engines. Skoda is not sold here at all.

    Can you buy a Passat with a V-6 if you want it? I think the answer proves my point!
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    so the states is THE reference when it comes to engine sizes? Even in the states the trend is towards downsizing. Korean 4 cilinders are becomming slowly the standard. Big V blocks are loosing popularity because also in the states fuel becomes expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post
    Therein lies one of the chief reasons that the brand is near death: their diesels are too dirty to sell in North America, but without a gas V-6 they'd have no chance here. Stupid, inward-looking, domestic market thinking. Their V-6 gas engine should have been retained, they should have taken a serious crack at North America and if all of this had happened 10 years ago, I bet they would be feeling a lot better right about now.

    A 1600kg barge with a 1.6 is just a flaming joke, I am sorry. A small hatch engine in a huge bus of a car? LOL

    If Peugeot made long-distance coaches, they probably would put their new three cylinder in it.
    PSA had a 3.0 V6 gasser for some time but I don't know why they have not tried to re introduce Peugeot and Citroen to North Amercia.

    I know you got the 405 Mi16 and then by '92 that was it.

    The thing is they are all Euro 5 emmission standards now and the Hdi's have lower emissions, with the FAP filters , then the equivelant gassers. So you got me there

    Maybe with the new GM venture ? Surely the 308, 508, RCZ would be of interest in North America ?

    I think it all boils down to perception. A small block in the States was always reffered to a 5.7 V8 and now those crazy Europeans are using a 1.6L in large sedans . Even a Goldwing has a bigger engine. However the fact that cars like the Prius have been accepted indicates a change in that perception. That with the current economic conditions would make buyers look at efficient economical cars. So I guess Peugeot / Citroen could be doing well if only they had a presence there.

    In the mean time PSA's latest exploits seem to be sewing the seeds in the rapidly expanding markets.

    Have a read of this... http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/e...pansion_b2.php

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